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    http://i38.servimg.com/u/f3 Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo

    Post by tony84

    Red Valve Cover engines, these are not EVO's , these are the Galant
    VR4 engines , they are similar to the 1G engines in the US , but there
    are some diffrences, VR4's have a 3 versions , VR4 200, VR4 220 , VR4
    240 . The diffrence ? the VR4 200 and 220 comes with 450cc injectors
    and they have a td05 14b , Intake manifold for 200 and 220 is a Cyclone
    , VR4 240 is also called VR4RS from the E39A body , it has 510cc
    injectors , the healthiest vr4 engine to buy is the 4g63 VR4rs auto
    which comes with the td05 14b. vr4rs manual has td05 16g and a bigger
    intercooler. And if you notice properly on the VR4 200,220 doesnt have
    a diamond logo on its rocker cover, only the VR4RS and the evos have
    it. How do u diffrenciate a EVO 1,2 and 3 , its pretty simple, 3 ways ,
    ECU , PISTON CODE , CHASSIS CODE and extra wirings at the firewall.

    Here are the pictures of the intakes & rocker covers

    VR4RS ECi MULTI Intake (Big Port)



    VR4 200,220 Cyclone Intake Manifold(Big Port) , VR4 200 Doesnt have the word "Intercooler" on it.



    EVO I,II,III Intake Manifolds are all the same and so are the TB's


    Heres the evo engine , this is a evo III , there is a vacuum grey cylinder on the firewall , its only on the EVO III's


    All EVO's have 609 Air Flow Sensors


    Intercoolers , the vr4's and evo's do not have same intercoolers.
    The Vr4 200,200 has a smaller one compared to the VR4RS , the Vr4rs are
    smaller than the EVO 123, EVO 456 & 678 are totally diffrent.

    VR4RS Intercooler


    EVO 1,2,3 Intercooler



    Exhaust Manifold

    EVO Above , VR4 Below



    Turbo's

    VR4RS and EVO1 has the same td05 small 16g while the evo2 has the td05 big 16g.
    EVO III is a diffrent species. Somethings that I have experimented ,
    the EVO 4-9 stock exhaust manifold will fit the 1g,2g 4G63 head , you
    can use their TD05HR , but the problem is the clearance issue with the
    alternator if its fitted in a DSM or EVO 1-3. Another engine is the RVR
    , RVR has a 4g63 with td04HL , i guess td04HL is not that common in US
    . td04HL is twin fin turbo and the turbine housing is nearly the size
    of the 14b 6cm housing. The o2 housing of a the td05 14b will fit the
    td04hl without mods.

    EVO III Turbo


    Vr4 Turbo



    ECU's

    as for Ecu's , all the evo's have different ecu's and mappings , the
    evo3 has less timing in it due to high compression. Don't get fooled by
    ecu's such as Mines and Ralliart, they are not worth it compared to
    your DSMLink. All evo ecu's have EPROM on it. But of course DSMlink
    isn't compatible with it.

    vr4 200hp ECU 8618
    vr4 220hp ECU 8618
    vr4 240hp ECU 5818
    E1 - 7701
    E2 - 2468
    E3 - 2364

    Chassis Code:

    EVO 1 --CD9A-SNGF
    EVO 2 - CE9A-SNGF
    EVO 3 - CE9A-SNGF


    Injectors

    Injector wise, guys, don't argue , we have few thousand cars over here, we cant be lying ,
    VR4 200,220 Cyclones have 450cc injectors , VR4RS , Evo 1,2,3 have
    yellow 510cc injectors , EVO 6-8 have 560cc injectors , another easy
    upgrade is the RX7 denso injectors, they are 550cc. There are many
    people who do think the EVO3 has a 560cc injectors, it doesn't. 450cc
    VR4 injectors are blue in colour. 560cc injectors do have 560cc written
    beside their injectors. Physically , look at the injector nozzle of the
    510cc Yellow injector, if it has twin nozzles its a evo, if its a
    single spray patern its the Vr4rs

    Drivetrain
    VR4 gb's have the weakest 1st gear (this was even stated in Jack Transmissions)
    EVO 1-3 have close ratio gearboxes. Cars that run 2wd over here usually
    go through a process where we throw away the extra gears & parts in
    the GB since we want to run 2wd only. EVO III comes stock with LSD at
    the rear.

    Lately I opened up my evo III gb, it had something different in it,
    rather than the normal coupling, mine had one with an engrave which
    noted "Adelia Magic" , the picture is below, I contacted that Japanese
    company through email, what they have mentioned is that , the allen
    bolts can be removed from the coupling, there are two pieces of clutch
    inside and some adjustments can be made to it , these adjustments will
    determine the amount of torque i distribute between the rear and front
    wheels. Once the clutch inside it tends to slip, it will then feed the
    rear wheels. How true it is ? I am yet to find out.

    Gearboxes codes
    W5M33-2-NGRE Lancer gsr RS (1992, 1800cc) ?
    W5M33-2-NNZT Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94 ?
    W5M33-2-NPXV 91-94 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 6/90-2/94 ?
    W5M33-2-NPZT 95-96 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94-6/96 ?
    W5M33-2-NQBE Libero/Lancer Gsr, non lsd version of NRWE No 3.545
    W5M33-2-NQBK 1991-92 to 4/92 VR4/ZR4 Galant ?
    W5M33-2-NQBM 1992 Galant to 5/92 ?
    W5M33-2-NRBE 92-95 Lancer GSR, lightweight synco's 2nd & 3rd No 3.545
    W5M33-2-NRWE 92-95 Lancer GSR
    W5M33-2-NRXD 1990 Cyborg No 3.545
    W5M33-2-UPFE Evo3 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909
    W5M33-2-UPGE Evo3 GSR non LSD No 3.909
    W5M33-2-UPWE Evo3 GSR with front LSD Yes 3.909
    W5M33-2-UPYE Evo3 RS non LSD No 3.909
    W5M33-2-WPFE Evo2 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909
    W5M33-2-WPGE Evo2 GSR non LSD No 3.909
    W5M33-2-WPVF Galant VR4 E84A ?
    W5M33-2-WPWE Evo2 GSR with front LSD Yes 3.909
    W5M33-2-WPYE Evo2 RS non LSD No 3.909
    W5M33-2-WQFE Evo1 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909
    W5M33-2-WQFK Galant VR4 evo ? ?
    W5M33-2-WQGE Evo1 GSR non LSD No 3.909
    W5M33-2-WQNK VR4 Evo, close ratio box ? No 3.909
    W5M33-2-WQWE Evo1 GSR (and RS?) with front LSD Yes 3.909
    W5M33-2-WQYE Evo1 RS non LSD No 3.909
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    Post on 21/11/2008, 2:29 am by PerdVr4

    seemaatt laa info abg tony nie...
    ko try dulu detect enjin stendet gaban aku ni... apa jenis ni?? vr4 or evo3?

    aku dulu main beli jak..

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]
    - enjin sekarang

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]


    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    - time pakai enjin lama

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    enjin lama.. babaiiii...

    Post on 22/11/2008, 4:35 pm by ProjectD

    napa x ambil turbo alang2 broo..?

    Post on 22/11/2008, 7:39 pm by PerdVr4

    Memang 1st ingat mau main turbo.. tapi pikir balik bab maintainence kena rapi kan klu turbo nie.. klu tutup enjin tuh tidak bleh main sembarangan, minyak itam kena jaga, pandai bocor agi (vacum), wastegate blowoff throttle body.. huhuhu...

    aku mau main tuh supercharge.. mau target pickup jak baa klu jalan kat sabah nie, korang sugest kat aku pakai supercharge apa agak2??

    mau bikin mcm nie baa semaat nie...

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    Post on 23/11/2008, 5:22 am by PerdVr4

    masalahnya ruang jak.. muat ka tidak... Suspect
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    Post on 24/11/2008, 10:50 am by tony84

    PerdVr4 wrote:seemaatt laa info abg tony nie...
    ko try dulu detect enjin stendet gaban aku ni... apa jenis ni?? vr4 or evo3?

    aku dulu main beli jak..

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]
    - enjin sekarang

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]


    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    - time pakai enjin lama

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    enjin lama.. babaiiii...

    enjin ko memang enjin evo...tp xpasti evo berapa....ko bule check code komputer box ko tu....manifold ko pakai balik yg lama kah sama thottle body..???sbb skrg xda turbo injector ko mesti pakai balik yg lama kan....nanti lebih minyak tu....
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    Post on 24/11/2008, 10:55 am by tony84

    PerdVr4 wrote:masalahnya ruang jak.. muat ka tidak... Suspect

    of coz muat...tp sempit jah pas pasang....kos supercas saya rasa mahal drpd turbo...fikir2 dulu lah.....kuat jugak NA skrg???

    Post on 24/11/2008, 1:01 pm by ProjectD

    cip tony mcm mna ko buli pastikn tu enjin evo..?

    Post on 24/11/2008, 2:13 pm by PerdVr4

    [b]tony84 wrote:[/b]
    - enjin ko memang enjin evo...tp xpasti evo berapa....ko bule check code komputer box ko tu....manifold ko pakai balik yg lama kah sama thottle body..???sbb skrg xda turbo injector ko mesti pakai balik yg lama kan....nanti lebih minyak tu....




    aku salin terus bulat2.. pakai suma dia punya throtle body, manifold,
    throttle body aku yg lama udah angkang, gila2 rpm tu, klu on acond mampus terus hehee.. putus asa aku pakai enjin lama tuh.. service t.body, ganti, sama gak result dia.. ganti enjin teruss laaa alamatnya..

    turbo injector??? nozzle kaa?? kat mana mau tgk tu?? apa maksud abg tony "Nanti lebih minyak tu"?

    Post on 24/11/2008, 2:23 pm by PerdVr4

    pasang a.filter aja.. mau amik steel tapi bnyk problem mekanikal.. kuikuikui..

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    stendet aja... buleh2 laaa bawa2 beli ikan.. hehe..

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    609 a.flow sensor yg membawa kekusustan huhu...

    [img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/[/img]

    Post on 24/11/2008, 2:30 pm by PerdVr4

    tony84 wrote:
    PerdVr4 wrote:masalahnya ruang jak.. muat ka tidak... Suspect

    of coz muat...tp sempit jah pas pasang....kos supercas saya rasa mahal drpd turbo...fikir2 dulu lah.....kuat jugak NA skrg???


    NA skrg.. ermm berat tul baa kereta aku joo.. rim saja mau berapa tan hehe (cap ayam)... sukur2 jak laa bawa beli2 sayur..

    klu korner agi klu speed lebih 140 cam tu tidak grip udah makin jauh apa plak istilah tuh oversteer kaa understeer?? aaa. mcm tuh laa.
    fikir2 absorber agi nie...

    korang rasa mana tahan n berbaloi. Setakat ni aku udah jumpa GAB, Hotbits, ngan KW. harga lain2.. pendapat abang2 sekalian ??

    Post on 24/11/2008, 3:17 pm by ProjectD

    tgu cip tony on9..dia pakar 4G63 nie...
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    Post on 25/11/2008, 3:50 am by tony84

    ProjectD wrote:cip tony mcm mna ko buli pastikn tu enjin evo..?

    1. evo head xda warna lain selain kelabu....
    2. head warna kelabu ada 2 jenis
    i) evo 1 2 3
    ii) evo RVR (rupa dia mcm Pajero)


    perbezaan evo dan rvr dpt dilihat dari TB nya....

    enjin rvr
    tmpat race minyak terbalik...



    ini pulak 4g63 rvr generasi baru...
    (besa ada kat mitsubishi esclipse,beza dia tutup tangki air melekat di enjin dan head dia tulis DOHC 2000 bkn DOHC 16 VALVE...)


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    Post on 25/11/2008, 4:11 am by tony84

    PerdVr4 wrote:
    tony84 wrote:
    PerdVr4 wrote:masalahnya ruang jak.. muat ka tidak... Suspect

    of coz muat...tp sempit jah pas pasang....kos supercas saya rasa mahal drpd turbo...fikir2 dulu lah.....kuat jugak NA skrg???


    NA skrg.. ermm berat tul baa kereta aku joo.. rim saja mau berapa tan hehe (cap ayam)... sukur2 jak laa bawa beli2 sayur..

    klu korner agi klu speed lebih 140 cam tu tidak grip udah makin jauh apa plak istilah tuh oversteer kaa understeer?? aaa. mcm tuh laa.
    fikir2 absorber agi nie...

    korang rasa mana tahan n berbaloi. Setakat ni aku udah jumpa GAB, Hotbits, ngan KW. harga lain2.. pendapat abang2 sekalian ??

    klu mau comfortable pakai Improve lah...KW sama Hotbits masi baru dlm pasaran...tp klu ko byk duit ko pakai TEIN lOL....hehe..kompom MAntap...

    Enjin ko memang NA ko ambik?? bkn turbo???
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    Post on 25/11/2008, 4:13 am by tony84

    So...pasti enjin ko evo RVR...

    Post on 25/11/2008, 2:55 pm by ProjectD

    ow..ada pulak evo non turbo...tq bro tony...
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    Post on 26/11/2008, 8:16 am by kymc_024

    rasanya mcm enjin evo3 N/A ja 2..mau tgk beza enjin RVR dgn Evo N/A distrubuter ja..yg pernah nampak dan tau la..nda tau la klau ada org yg mmg pakar enjin pernah nampak depan mata...

    Post on 26/11/2008, 9:45 am by Tenz

    chasis wira buli masuk enjin apa tanpa ubah maunting?
    siapa buli tolong kasi list??
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    Post on 26/11/2008, 11:39 am by blugu

    Tenz wrote:chasis wira buli masuk enjin apa tanpa ubah maunting?
    siapa buli tolong kasi list??

    4G1x, 4G9x & 4G6x

    Post on 26/11/2008, 12:45 pm by ProjectD

    4G6x mmg mau ubah masuk wira cip...
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    Post on 26/11/2008, 6:23 pm by blugu

    4G6x tidak perlu ubah mounting, cuma braketnya saja yg perlu diubah, kalau ubah mounting, Puspakom tidak approve

    Post on 27/11/2008, 12:50 pm by ProjectD

    kalau bgtu pun 4G9x x perlu lah ubah mounting namana kan cip..ubah braket lah tu kn...
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    Post on 27/11/2008, 3:12 pm by blugu

    ProjectD wrote:kalau bgtu pun 4G9x x perlu lah ubah mounting namana kan cip..ubah braket lah tu kn...

    Yup, mounting itu yg fix malakat sama body kreta, braket plak besi yg pegang mounting dgn enjin tuh

    Post on 27/11/2008, 3:49 pm by ProjectD

    tp tmpt aku ubah mounting Very Happy
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    Post on 27/11/2008, 4:09 pm by blugu

    ProjectD wrote:tp tmpt aku ubah mounting Very Happy

    Mounting yang mana satu tuh?
    Sy punya langsung tiada ubah, semua braket yang kena ubah kecuali braket g/box, langsung tiada kacau

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