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sy kira btl2 mac bru gi dlm I.C.E nihhh....maksud i.c.e ni pun bru2 juga sya tau kasian o kann huhuh dont know ...ni mo tanya member smua la pa maksud ni singkatan2 berkaitan dgn i.c.e ni n yg sewaktu dengannya...tolong ya sya pun mo tau jg x mo juga sembarang pasang sound tapi x brapa tau basic2 dia k...

apa itu....

SQ
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mono block
amplifier 2channel,4channel (knapa ada channel2 ni ah?? Sad )
db

lupa uda yg lain...nnt sya ingat sya kac post gi k....tolong org bru blajar niii groar
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mksud sy amp mid..bukan amp woofer...hihi..kalau woofer mau pilih amp..x boleh sembarang jak..
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owh...aiya...kecewa aku tau Sad
slalu kn, sa nmpak da tulis d spec amp 2, makin kecik ohm, makin besar RMS.pa keburukan main ohm kecik?
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finalazy84 wrote:
owh...aiya...kecewa aku tau Sad
slalu kn, sa nmpak da tulis d spec amp 2, makin kecik ohm, makin besar RMS.pa keburukan main ohm kecik?

Amp biasanya main 4 ohm, 2 ohm dan 1 ohm.
1 ohm biasanya Monoblok kelas D
2 ohm monoblok kelas AB
4 ohm amp 2 chnl atau 4 chnl.

Ini kebiasaan amp yang kita jumpa di kedai acc lah.

Makin kecil ohm stable amp tu makin besar RMS dia. tapi makin besar juga penggunaan karan... hehe saya punya pendapatlah..
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owh...mksud ko karan yg d tarik dari batry la?sama otonator?
apa akan jadi klo let say 2 amp smpai 2 ohm sja tpi wiring kasi jadi 1 ohm?rosak ka 2 amp?
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rosak. Kalau amp stable at 2ohm, wire ke 1ohm, mmg akan overheat dan kantoi. Tapi ada amp yang ada protection la, akan shut down sendiri bila ohm tak ngam.
Oh ya, amp main sampai berapa ohm tak tengok class dan channel, cuma tengok design dia saja. Macam helix p400 aku boleh main sampai 1ohm, and dia amp 4ch. Bila bridged boleh sampai 2ohm.
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kalau amp stable 2 ohm wiring p 1 ohm mmg ada effect 2 kt amp 2..silap2 boleh hangus oo..kalau ada protect kt amp 2 ok jga lh..hihi..lg 1 btl ckp bro ckmoy007 2,sistem ohm nie x tnguk pada class n chanel amp 2..
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wah..makin complicated la ni...so apa mcm mo tau?taupn main play safe ja la kn What a Face jgn main yg bukan2...nanti sengsara...hehe
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asalkan ikut manual dan spec amp itu, tak ada masalah punya. amp kebanyakan including cap ayam tahan lasak kalau tidak diguna secara malampau tu...
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opppsss mcm lama sya x p ni thread heheh...makin complicated pla ni perbincangan kamurang huhuhu...k back to topic ar...ni sya kasi senaraila maksud2 yg telah kita bincang ni k..utk sumber rujukan bersama kio...

SQ : Sound Quality (untuk dengar musik/bunyi yang cantik)

SPL : Sound Pressure Level (untuk semua orang dengar, boom boom style.)

db : desibel (ukuran bunyi)

monoblock: sejenis amplifier (explain sikit lg blh?hihi)

Channel: bilangan tmpat cucuk speaker d amplifier.2 channel 2 tmpat cucuk means left n right la.4 channel left n right depan dn blakang atau 4 speaker bleh masuk.

DVC : Double voice coil (jenis woofer)
SVC : Single Voice Coil (jenis woofer)
HU : Head Unit/ CD player la..
CAP : Capasitor (yang macam botol panas ada meter tu)
SW : Sub Woofer
HPF : High Pass Filter
LPF : Low pass Filter (ni 2 selalu ada kat amp,aku pn nda tau apa guna dia..)

Amp biasanya main 4 ohm, 2 ohm dan 1 ohm.
1 ohm biasanya Monoblok kelas D
2 ohm monoblok kelas AB
4 ohm amp 2 chnl atau 4 chnl.

yahhh tambah lagi ya...utk pengetahuan bersama bahh huhuh...copy&paste ja k
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perghh.. boleh tahan kamu punya knowledge pasal sound ni. trdapat ga info serba sedikit Very Happy
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ehem..tq ...kalau yang bunyi pecah tu apa aaa?
bingit telinga...apa jenis woofer terbaik skg?
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pa mksud bnyi pecah?baik buka topic bru under question.psal brand tu,terlalu subjective.brgntung dngan telinga masing2...hehe nanti klo sa ckp brand ni bgus, da pula org ta puas ati...hehe brgntung jua ko mo men mcm mna.spl?sq?syok sndiri ja ka. What a Face
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woofer yang terbaik tu, mau tengok saiz poket masing masing. ada yang cakap autotek tu terbaik ataupun boschmann bagus, aku boleh kata Ground Zero, Earthquake dan Kicker terbaik. tengok experience dan 'keazaman' untuk main sound.
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and1872 wrote:
opppsss mcm lama sya x p ni thread heheh...makin
complicated pla ni perbincangan kamurang huhuhu...k back to topic
ar...ni sya kasi senaraila maksud2 yg telah kita bincang ni k..utk
sumber rujukan bersama kio...

SQ : Sound Quality (untuk dengar musik/bunyi yang cantik)

SPL : Sound Pressure Level (untuk semua orang dengar, boom boom style.)

db : desibel (ukuran bunyi)

monoblock: sejenis amplifier (explain sikit lg blh?hihi)

Channel:
bilangan tmpat cucuk speaker d amplifier.2 channel 2 tmpat cucuk means
left n right la.4 channel left n right depan dn blakang atau 4 speaker
bleh masuk.

DVC : Double voice coil (jenis woofer)
SVC : Single Voice Coil (jenis woofer)
HU : Head Unit/ CD player la..
CAP : Capasitor (yang macam botol panas ada meter tu)
SW : Sub Woofer
HPF : High Pass Filter
LPF : Low pass Filter (ni 2 selalu ada kat amp,aku pn nda tau apa guna dia..)

Amp biasanya main 4 ohm, 2 ohm dan 1 ohm.
1 ohm biasanya Monoblok kelas D
2 ohm monoblok kelas AB
4 ohm amp 2 chnl atau 4 chnl.

yahhh tambah lagi ya...utk pengetahuan bersama bahh huhuh...copy&paste ja k

alala sya lupa taru nama org yg sy ambi ni info2 la...ni yg ada nama org yg telah sya ambi informasinya...


1. SQ : Sound Quality (untuk dengar musik/bunyi yang cantik)

SPL : Sound Pressure Level (untuk semua orang dengar, boom boom style.)

db : desibel (ukuran bunyi)
->deeyan & ckmoy007

2. monoblock: sejenis amplifier (explain sikit lg blh?hihi)
->finalazy84

3. Channel:
bilangan tmpat cucuk speaker d amplifier.2 channel 2 tmpat
cucuk means
left n right la.4 channel left n right depan dn blakang atau 4
speaker
bleh masuk.
->finalazy84

4. DVC : Double voice coil (jenis woofer)
SVC : Single Voice Coil (jenis woofer)
HU : Head Unit/ CD player la..
CAP : Capasitor (yang macam botol panas ada meter tu)
SW : Sub Woofer
HPF : High Pass Filter
LPF : Low pass Filter (ni 2 selalu ada kat amp,aku pn nda tau apa guna
dia..)
->Mr. Chronic

5. Amp biasanya main 4 ohm, 2 ohm dan 1 ohm.
1 ohm biasanya Monoblok kelas D
2 ohm monoblok kelas AB
4 ohm amp 2 chnl atau 4 chnl.
->jlary78

yahhh tambah lagi ya...utk pengetahuan bersama bahh huhuh...copy&paste ja & edit saja k....
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monoblock ialah sejenis amplifier yg hanya mempunyai 1 channel output.sebab itulah d pnggil mono sebab da bukn stereo...berbeza dngn amp yg lain, sebab amp yg bukn monoblock ini stereo.
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1. SQ : Sound Quality (untuk dengar musik/bunyi yang cantik)

SPL : Sound Pressure Level (untuk semua orang dengar, boom boom style.)

db : desibel (ukuran bunyi)
->deeyan & ckmoy007

2. monoblock: sejenis amplifier (...sejenis amplifier yg hanya mempunyai 1 channel output.sebab itulah d pnggil mono sebab da bukn stereo...berbeza dngn amp yg lain, sebab amp yg bukn monoblock ini stereo.)
->finalazy84

3. Channel:
bilangan tmpat cucuk speaker d amplifier.2 channel 2 tmpat
cucuk means
left n right la.4 channel left n right depan dn blakang atau 4
speaker
bleh masuk.
->finalazy84

4. DVC : Double voice coil (jenis woofer)
SVC : Single Voice Coil (jenis woofer)
HU : Head Unit/ CD player la..
CAP : Capasitor (yang macam botol panas ada meter tu)
SW : Sub Woofer
HPF : High Pass Filter
LPF : Low pass Filter (ni 2 selalu ada kat amp,aku pn nda tau apa guna
dia..)
->Mr. Chronic

5. Amp biasanya main 4 ohm, 2 ohm dan 1 ohm.
1 ohm biasanya Monoblok kelas D
2 ohm monoblok kelas AB
4 ohm amp 2 chnl atau 4 chnl.
->jlary78

yahhh tambah lagi ya...utk pengetahuan bersama bahh huhuh...copy&paste ja & edit saja k....
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ni untuk yang pro sikit atau yang sedang belajar guna equalizer dan crossover.

Before we examine some methods of equalizing, it's
important to note the areas of the audio band and what effect they have
on what we hear. The audio band can effectively be broken down into six
distinct ranges, each one having enormous impact on the total sound.



� Sub-Bass � The very low bass between 16Hz and 60Hz that
encompasses sounds that are often felt more than heard, such as thunder
in the distance. These frequencies give the music a sense of power even
if they occur infrequently. Too much emphasis on this range makes the
music sound muddy.



� Bass � The bass between 60Hz and 250Hz contains the fundamental
notes of the rhythm section, so EQing this range can change the musical
balance, making it fat or thin. Too much boost in this range can make
the music sound boomy.



� Low Mids � The midrange between 250Hz and 2000Hz contains the low
order harmonics of most musical instruments and can introduce a
telephone-like quality to the music if boosted too much. Boosting the
500Hz to 1000Hz octave makes the instruments sound horn-like, while
boosting the 1kHz to 2kHz octave makes them sound tinny. Excess output
in this range can cause listening fatigue.

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� High Mids � The upper midrange between 2kHz and 4kHz can mask the
important speech recognition sounds if boosted, introducing a lisping
quality into a voice and making sounds formed with the lips such as "m," "b" and "v" indistinguishable. Too much boost in this range "
especially at 3kHz " can also cause listening fatigue. Dipping the 3kHz
range on instrument backgrounds and slightly peaking 3kHz on vocals can
make the vocals audible without having to decrease the instrumental
level in mixes where the voice would otherwise seem buried.



� Presence � The presence range between 4kHz and 6kHz is
responsible for the clarity and definition of voices and instruments.
Boosting this range can make the music seem closer to the listener.
Reducing the 5kHz content of a mix makes the sound more distant and
transparent.



� Brilliance � The 6kHz to 16kHz range controls the brilliance and
clarity of sounds. Too much emphasis in this range, however, can
produce sibilance on the vocals.



Leo di Gar Kulka � �Equalization - The Highest, Most
Sustained Expression of the Recordist�s Heart,� Recording
Engineer/Producer, Vol. 3, Number 6, November/December, 1972



For
those of you who have an easier time visualizing the audio spectrum in
one-octave increments (like those found on a graphic equalizer), here�s
an octave look at the same chart.

Easy-To-Remember Golden Rules Of EQ

1. If it sounds muddy, cut some at 250Hz.

2. If it sounds honky, cut some at 500Hz.

3. Cut if you�re trying to make things sound
better.

4. Boost if you�re trying to make things sound
different.

5. You can�t boost something that�s not there
in the first place.

31Hz
Rumble, "chest"
63 Hz
Bottom
125Hz
Boom, thump, warmth
250Hz
Fullness or mud
500Hz
Honk
1KHz
Whack
2KHz
Crunch
4KHz
Edge
8KHz
Sibilance, definition, "ouch!"
16 KHz
Air



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Figure 5
Tricks and Tips

General Tips

Use a narrow Q (bandwidth) when cutting; use wide Q's when boosting

If you want something to stick out, roll off the bottom; if you want it to blend in, roll off the top



For Snare



To find the �point� on the snare, boost the upper midrange starting at
about +5 or 6dB at 2kHz or so. Open up the bandwidth (if that parameter
is available) until you get the snare to jump out, then tighten the
bandwidth until you get only the part of the snare sound that you want
most. Then fine-tune the frequency until you need the least amount of
boost in order to make it jump out of the mix.



For Drums



Dave Pensado: A lot of the music I do has samples in it and that
gives the producer the luxury of pretty much getting the sound he
wanted from the start. In the old days you always pulled out a little
400 on the kick drum. You always added a little 3 and 6 to the toms.
That just doesn't happen as much any more because when I get the tape,
even with live bands, the producer's already triggered the sound he
wanted off the live performance and the drums are closer.



For Bass



The ratio between the low bass (80-120Hz) and the mid-bass
(130Hz-200Hz) is important. Try using two fairly narrow peaking bands,
one at 100Hz and another at 140Hz and boost one and cut the other. If
the bass is too warm, sometimes reducing the upper band can make it
more distinct without removing the deeper fundamentals that live in the
100Hz band. Also, try boosting some of the 1kHz area since this is
where a lot of the sound of the Fender bass lives.



For Fatter Guitars



Boost midrange a lot (9dB or so) and sweep the frequencies until
you hear the range where the guitar sounds thick but yet still bright
enough to cut through. Now, back the boost down to about +4 or so until
the guitar cuts through the mix without being too bright.



Don Smith: I use EQ different from some people. I don't just use
it to brighten or fatten something up; I use it to make an instrument
feel better. Like on a guitar, making sure that all the strings on a
guitar can be heard. Instead of just brightening up the high strings
and adding mud to the low strings, I may look for a certain chord to
hear more of the A string. If the D string is missing in a chord, I
like to EQ and boost it way up to +8 or +10 and then just dial through
the different frequencies until I hear what they're doing to the
guitar. So I'm trying to make things more balanced in the way they lay
with other instruments.



For Vocals



Boost a little at 125Hz to 250Hz to accentuate the voice
fundamental and make it more �chesty�-sounding. The 2kHz to 4kHz range
accentuates the consonants and makes the vocal seem closer to the
listener.



Ed Seay: On a vocal sometimes I think, �Does this vocal need a
diet plan? Does he need to lose some flab down there?� Or sometimes,
�We need some weight on this guy so let's add some 300 cycles and make
him sound a little more important.�



David Sussman: If I'm recording vocals, I like to roll off quite
a bit on the bottom end so the compressor doesn't start kicking in and
bringing up any low end rumble or noise. If I'm EQing a piano or
something that�s already been recorded, I sometimes roll off a lot of
the bottom so I leave a lot of room for the bass and the kick drum to
occupy. A lot of times I don�t need anything under probably 100Hz. I'll
do some rolling off with the filters and then I may take a bell curve
and zone in on a couple of other woofy areas on certain instruments.



Dave Pensado: I think of EQ as an effect much the same way you
would add chorus or reverb to a particular instrument or vocal. Like, I
might have a vocal where I think it's really EQed nicely and then I'll
add a little more 3k just to get it to bite a little more. Then it just
makes me feel like the singer was trying harder and it brings out a
little bit of passion in his or her voice. So I tend to be most
effective when I do the standard equalizing, then take it to the next
level, thinking of it as an effect.
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Sound system ada 3 kategori... SQ ( Sound Quality ), SQL ( Sound Quality With Level ), SPL ( Sound Preasure Level )... so sound dampning adalah untuk org2 yang suka bunyi sedap @ true sound maka SQ ja ngam pakai.. Kos mmg Gila b*b* la kos dia dan SQ nie org dia lokek la sbb sound utk dia sorang ja dlm keta dia... klu SQL mau sound cantik tapi mau jg kuat.... sound dampning perlu jg tp tiba2 ada box sudah... kg mahal la dri SQ... SPL aka pembungkar Bonet mau kuat dan jelas tp x mau cantik bunyi... lbh banyak bass dgn tweeter. kos lebih murah dri sq dan sql...

SQ - MiD, Tweeter, bass, s/dampning ( kebanyakan guna woofer Free air )
SQL - Mid, Tweeter, Bass ( gna woofer dgn box tp parameter woofer kcl )
SPL - Main hantam ja yang penting siapa punya Desible (Db) tinggi
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tak tau dari mana kamu ambil tu info semua. tapi ada sikit yang tak ngam, SQL tu, Sound Quality Loud, bukan with level. tak kisak SQ, SQL ataupun SPL, tak tengok woofer main free air ka atau apa dan tak tengok jenis box juga. yang SQ tu, mau dapat audio nirvana, semua speaker mesti rasa transparent termasuk woofer. bunyi bass macam datang dari dashboard, hasilnya, staging yang bagus. yang SQL, main woofer yang besar atau kuat sikit, kurang kisah pasal linearity. Yang SPL, macam kamu kata tu, hentam saja. Pasal sound dampening, diperlukan untuk semua kereta yang main sound tak kisah SQ atau SPL. cuba tengok competition macam IASCA dan EMMA di Europe dan USA, semua kereta pun ada sound proof punya.
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siapa ckp SPL x perlukan bunyi yg cantik..kalau bunyi berhambur x DB jga 2..bermakna angin dia berhambur..hihi..lg syok men roadshow ja lh..
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maksud bunyi x cantik dlm SPL nie..subs di tune utk nada tertentu saja..kalu tgk pada graf transfer function dia mmg tinggi tp biasanya point pada frekuensi tertentu je kemudian slope turun..so bass tertentu je bunyi ngam (pilih lagu)..kalu nak bunyi cantik..tune sub utk dpt flat response pada graf..kalu yg bunyi/angin behambur n x naik db tue pula dipanggil out of phase dan menyebabkan cancelation (maksudnya tak ngam setting la tue)..
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woofer free air ni mcm na ar...kalau mo men sq misti mo kena blanja duit yg byk ka??mcm sya tgk org men spl lbh kurang ja RMnya...lets say if pakai speaker yg cikai2 pnya la...but positioning speaker tu ngam...sure punya bunyi pun cantik kan..just my 2 cents..

ikut telinga masing2 jg ba tu kan heheh....
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come and join sq TT la. u will know wat is sq... hehe. which part of kk u from?
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im at luyang bro....dkt2 bkt padang sana...
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oh, luyang. bro, mau join TT SQ kami kat Lintas ka? boleh bagi nombor fon? i call u when confirm time and place.
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