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Hello kawan2 n otai2 semua.. Saya baru mau bejinak2 main SQ ba ni, boleh minta suggestion ka untuk setup SQ ni, mksud saya tu apa2 yg mau dbeli tmasuk brand d pasaran sekarang yg kira ok la untuk starting ni.. Ada sya nmpk tu forum yg SQ tu tpi saya tdak fham ba cerita dia sna.. Tlung dlu ah.. Thanks..
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime4/12/2012, 10:32 am

Bro final, klau yang sya tau passive ni tu xover sambung between amp pegi midbass n twiter kn, klau yg active ni pkai tu yg xover electronic smbung between HU pegi amp.. tpi yg HU jnis passive ni sya xdatau pula bro..
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime4/12/2012, 11:57 am

Sherald: eletronic xover yg ada "band pass" function saja bleh main active. biasanya kalau HU yg Mid range macam Pioneer 80 rs @ Alpine 9887 ada fucntion ni utk main 2way active + sub so tdk perlu external processor.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime4/12/2012, 2:04 pm

active ko perlu amp untuk setiap speaker.passive ko perlu amp setiap 1 passive. so jimat amp dan wiring la
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime5/12/2012, 10:45 am

So klau gtu HU sya ni boleh setup passive sja la kan.. Bole ka sapa2 ksi terang sya apa komponen2 yg mau di pakai klau mau main active sma main passive supaya sya nmpak beza dia..hehe nubis kubis ba ni.. dont know
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime5/12/2012, 11:36 am

kalau HU yg bleh main active cuma perlu amp utuk power setiap channel..kalau 2 way + sub 5channel amp pun blh pakai.atau pakai satu 4 channel dan satu 2channel(Briged)@mono..kalau Hu yg teda active capabilities cuma perlu tambah external eletronic xover yg ada band pass...tu jak.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime7/12/2012, 10:46 am

ow gitu, so sya perlu pkai elctronic xover yg ada band pass la ni klau mau main active kn..
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime7/12/2012, 12:05 pm

ya..sy pun pakai setup macam tu di kereta sy...tp sy pakai brand cap buaya teda gigi la...susah mo cr bagus 2nd hand..Ko cr tu bleh suda ko main active tu.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime7/12/2012, 1:16 pm

ow ok2, ada ba sya nmpak kna jual tu xover d kdai sni brand VLS ok ka tu ah?
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime7/12/2012, 1:37 pm

ada bandpass function ka?brapa la harga dia?
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime7/12/2012, 2:06 pm

ba jgn ja nnti harga tu xover campur HU lebih mhl dari P80 tau 9887 hehe
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ya btul....lg satu harap2 teda noise issues...
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tu la paling bagus minimize the gadget.dont put too much filter.
unless hi end stuff la.

Sherald: klau sya jadi ko, cari la speaker yg bagus2.ok suda tu.passive pun bagus ba.lgipun sna teda kwn2 yg boleh ajar ko tuning.so active setup tu bikin sengsara tu.ko p tu site yg sya bagi. cari tu 'carcrazy'. since u bought ur HU suda, then just use wat u have la. itu budget pn mesti mau kasi ready la.so nnti tngal p kedai suru pasang sja.
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zenden, nnti sya cek blk sma tu kdai..
final, yaba kan, brpa hrga HU P80 tau 9887 tu?
satu sya mau tnya, klau suda pkai tu electronic xover msi mau pkai ka xover yg ikut component tu?
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kalau pakai electric xover utk main active xover component tdk payah pakai suda..p80 @ 9887 blh dpt bwh 1k kalau 2nd.kalau set baru 1.4k -1.9k d KK ..Overpriced..
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime8/12/2012, 12:36 am

wah sini rupanya kamu, hehe, nda nampak sbb bookmark trus sq style, pas baca trus tutup hehe..

hi sherald, welcome to the sq world..sq macam mana tu ko mau main bro..Banyak cara mau main sq ikut kita ja, kalau ikut rules lain crita la.

biar ku tolong terang skali lg sikit:
1.active - dia d gelar active sebab HU/playernya ada built in digital crossover yang boleh kita set freq, slope, phase..kelebihan: kita boleh tune tu crossover direct dari tempat duduk ja tuk dpt sound yg ngam ngan ruang dalam kreta kita..jadi tidak perlu suda crossover yg dtg skali sama speaker tu..direct ja dari amp..kekurangan: active msti ada basic knowledge crossover freq, sbb salah set speaker lebur,amp mau ada 2-3 biji ikut channel yg kita bli la, sbb tweeter lain, midbass lain, subwoofer lain, kalau 3 way lg gila hehe, without proper experience & tools kita akan tune sepanjang hayat tuk dapat sound sdap haha..conth player yg common -alpine 9887, eclipse cd7100, pioneer p80rsii, p99, p9, p90, clarion hx-d2..n banyak lg la, alpine paling banyak sampai apa model pun nda bleh ku ingat suda haha..

passive -Di gelar passive sbb sound di proses oleh crossover pasif yg dtg skali ngan speaker tu.. sistem basic, macam kita main player sony biasa-->amp--->speaker+crossover..walaupun basic tapi ada yg high end tuk main gni..kelebihan:kalau tdk mau pening main la passive,pasang skali ja n enjoy, ada yg advance passive juga bleh tune2 twt lvl, slope dan lain2, amp jimat, kalau main sistem yg low powered bleh pkai 4ch ja (2 ch tuk speaker component dpn, 2 ch bridged tuk sub).Kekurangan: kurang tuning option, kalau crossover yg biasa2 ja kilang tune basic freq, blum tentu ngam soundbya d kreta kita ..brand semua pun ada, (termasuk HU yg ko bli tu)tp yg khas sq HU passive-clarion/addzest drx-9255, denon dct-A100,Panasonic CQ-TX5500D, eclipse sound monitor, nakamichi cd400 & cd700, skrg ada yg mp3 capable suda n aku pun tgh cari cd300 & cd500 (bukan yg china, sbb tu company macam ada dua suda, aku pun tdk phm), mcintosh mx406, mx4000, mx5000

ok tuk electronic xover tu sbnarnya di kira active suda tu, cth-kita bli HU sony passive n terbeli speaker used tp tiada xover dia, so penyelamatnya tu electronic xover la,bleh tune2, kalau bli yg mahal punya memang lg cun la sbb bleh tune precise freq banding sama active HU yg fixed freq..hu active tdk pyh bli suda electronic xover, nanti 2x process sandi tu soundnya haha

aku ko tau bnda2 ni smua, ni saja ja menambah2 perisa discussion, manatau ada pembaca baru yg mau main sq bleh la baca2 sini...peace

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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime8/12/2012, 11:46 am

ohh macam tu,jadi kalau active:built=in x-over,passive=teda x-over.baru sya tau.sya mau tanya bukan pre-amp boleh set tu freq ka?,ada beza ka kalau set freq kalau pakai pre-amp dan kalau set pakai built-in HU equalizer (d dalam menu setting HU)?

#huhu sya masi blm ada woofer lagi.tunggu bonus..and tunggu d internet kalau da org mau jual good woofer+amp.haha.di kedai mahal n nda berbaloi..so tunggu org yg pencen ICE jual murah2.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime8/12/2012, 12:25 pm

passive setup xovernya tu passive la.hehe tu kotak kecil yg sambung tweeter dan mid. baru p amp tu...

set freq sini ni mksudnya kita set contoh: tweeter main 20Khz - 4Khz. mids main 3.2Khz - 80hz sub 60hz - 20hz. mksudnya ni tweeter dan mid hanya akan hasilkan bunyi yg suda ditetapkan tu sja.

equalizer tu untuk menambah atau mengurang freq yg kita mau.dngn tujuan untuk menyedapkan lgi tu sound ikut cita rasa sndiri.

teda beza adjust eq d hu tau preamp.tngok mna lebih tepat la adjustmen.klau HU bnyak pilihan pkai tu la.cuma filteration tu akan double la.mksudnya klau ko kasi up bass tinggi2 d HU, pas tu kasi up lgi d preamp.hasilnya distortion suda la.pecah suda tu bunyi.jdi pilih 1 device sja untuk set dan yg 1 lagi kasi 0 sja.biasanya preamp la untuk tune eq.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime8/12/2012, 1:03 pm

Bebiri: Berbeza bro, crossover tuk kawal low pass sama hi pass tuk setiap komponen, erti kata lain, xover tu halang bunyi bass dari masuk ke tweeter supaya tdk rosak, set brapa banyak bass yg bleh masuk ke midbass supaya tdk rosak juga, dan sebaliknya tuk treble d halang masuk semua dalam midbass n subwoofer.. Erti kata lain lg xoverla bertanggung jwb tuk bagi2 tugas tuk tweeter main treble, midbass main bass di midrange region, dan subwoofer main bass sahaja..pasal frequency pula, xover bukan shj ada freq tp ada slope juga tuk kawal freq tuk setiap komponen, cth tweeter mungkin dia bg 4khz-5khz @ 18db slope, midbass pula tuk freq mid high dia bg 3.5khz@12-18db slope,mid low mungkin dia bg 63hz@12db slope dan subwoofer mungkin 63hz juga dgn steeper slope,.lepas tu crossover active ni juga oleh kawal volume level tiap2 komponen, cth tweeter -5db, midbass -2db, subwoofer -10db..

Kalau preamp ni bro tugasnya eq ja bro, bukan kawal setiap komponen, kalau bro pkai hu passive + preamp, pastikan eq yang di dalam hu tu di kasi flat, sbb kita ndamau ada double processing..harap dpt membantu
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime8/12/2012, 1:21 pm

1 lgi sbb org guna preamp untuk kasi bnyak preout Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime8/12/2012, 10:57 pm

tenkiu.boss-ku semua kerana memberi info yg mantap.

ehem..sya punya tweeter sblh kiri macam ada distortion,macam mana kasi hilang dia,kalau sebelah kanan ok jak.macam mana mo set? macam teda
x-over jak tu tweeter,cos ari tu sya beli component set 2x tweeter,2x mid,2x x-over..and x-over macam utk mid jak,atau dia kongsi dgn tu tweeter.hehehe sya tia tau Very Happy lah,sya bingung.

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psang sendiri ka?mesti ada punya tu.klau untuk mid sja nda la dorg buat tu xover.

bunyi distortion tau crack tu mksudnya tu tweeter suda burn.tdk buli buat apa2 suda.kcuali la ko main active. bleh kasi set tinggi2 tu freq pegi tweeter spaya tiada bunyi distortion.tpi klau buat gtu nda syok suda bunyi tu.

tweeter sambung mna la klau tdk sambung pegi passive xover?direct amp?tau direct HU?
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime9/12/2012, 9:50 am

Btl ckp c final, kemungkinan twt bro suda ada mechanical prob d voice coil twt yg menyebabkan bunyi distortion,
Ya, twt sama midbass kongsi crossover sama, terminalnya ja beza, cuba tgk gambar d bwh, (Input tu dari amp output terminal, woofer tu mksudnya tuk midbass lah bagi crossover ni)
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PostSubject: Re: Start Basic SQ   Start Basic SQ - Page 2 Icon_minitime10/12/2012, 3:07 am

ic,terpaksa beli baru laini xover yg bagus2.2nd jipun mari.apa2 pun nanti la sya antar tu kedai yg sya buat.mana tau boleh ejas/repair.
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