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mari kt bncg pasal SPL..hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: spl EXTERNAL@INTERNAL   spl EXTERNAL@INTERNAL - Page 4 Icon_minitime30/11/2008, 12:57 am

na soalan cepumas kna tnya 2..hihi..btl jga kn..npa mau kira?
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port tu penting beb..mestila kira..utk tentukan frekuensi yg kiter mo ikut saiz tong..itu frekuensi pun bukan mo pilih sembarang..bebudak je main buat ikut manual..frekuensi resonans keta pun mesti tau juga..berapa oktef mau kasi naik atau turun tuk kasi ngam lagu yg nak main..baru kasi bikin itu tong..isipadu keta pun mesti kasi ngam juga sama tong n subwoofer tuk dpt tambahan db..kanseling lagi..kepekatan udara lagi..suma kena amik kira kalu betul2 main spl..mesti korang lebih tau n expert lg bah kan..bg i bunyi kuat je x guna kalu xde pressure..tu fahaman i la.. kalu i silap bagi tunjuk ajar aa..

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dont know no more Sound Pressure Level....
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PostSubject: Re: spl EXTERNAL@INTERNAL   spl EXTERNAL@INTERNAL - Page 4 Icon_minitime2/12/2008, 9:50 am

beautifulcreature,
memang betul apa yg ko bagitau tu. Sound wave cancellation, cabin gain, reasonance and air density ni penting untuk kasi power lagi SPL walaupun air density ni kira tidak perlu di perhati kan sebab tempat memblast tu ada lah sama.

dan port tuning frequency pun di pilih mengikut citarasa musik masing2.


port volume ni tidak penting kecuali ko mo kira berapa net air space ko selepas tolak port & subwoofer displacement.

contoh dia:
subwoofer Adire Audio Brahma 15" dengan saiz kotak 3 cu.ft (net)

jika saya tune port tu ke frequency 35hz, saya boleh pakai round port dalam measurement 5" x 10.7" atau 4" x 6.3"

frequency response untuk variasi di atas ni adalah sama tapi port volume nya berlainan.

sebab tu saya tanya kenapa port volume tu perlu di kira? Smile
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gobuk wrote:
dont know no more Sound Pressure Level....

elo boss. Lama ko menghilang. Pa sorita sound ko yg terbaru?
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beautifulcreature wrote:
bg i bunyi kuat je x guna kalu xde pressure

telinga manusia ni mempunyai sound wave detection/tolerance yang berlainan. Kita lebih sensitif kepada bunyi yg frequency nya tinggi berbanding yang rendah. Sebab tu urg blang tweeter si anu tu boleh kasi kuyak telinga Very Happy

jadi untuk mau kasi kuat bunyi bila main roadshow atau open boot, frequencies yg perlu di main pada pendapat saya ni lebih kepada midbass, midrange dan high.
kalau mau main sub-bass pun, main yg tinggi port tuning nya.

kalau mau main sound pressure, ni kira main SPL internal saja la sebab open boot ni mana dapat build pressure yg tinggi sebab keadaan environment kereta ada lah terbuka.
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under18crew wrote:
bdkameron mcmna mau dpt pengiraan wave length frekuensi?hihi..

ko pakai la teknologi sikrang i.e. main google saja. Banyak juga online calculator tuuu.. Wink

paling sinang ko pakai ni http://www.mcsquared.com/wavelength.htm
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ni untuk sq saja, bukan spl
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BdkAmeron wrote:
ni untuk sq saja, bukan spl

npa plak utk SQ jak?
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PostSubject: Re: spl EXTERNAL@INTERNAL   spl EXTERNAL@INTERNAL - Page 4 Icon_minitime3/12/2008, 12:36 pm

ok bro kippo..nice.. Very Happy i pun kurang expert actually pasal port tuning..tp yg i tau port volume mesti sama wlupun port area lain..i mean kalu port asal 5"..mo tukar port 4" mesti lebih panjang..kalu tukar port yang x sama volume, net volume enclosure pun ikut berubah kan..frekuensi tuning jd x sama..bukan gitu ker..bagi i port mesti ngam gak..supaya pergerakan keluar masuk angin seimbang ngan volume enclosure n kekuatan daya tolakan sub..kalu x ngan subs bole rosak..

main open boot kalu..skg nie mmg selalu i tengok dorang suka main open..i setuju ngan bro kippo..kebanyakan tong yg diguna skg kecik2 je..tune tong mcm nie mesti tinggi2 punya..mcm 150hz keatas..bunyi tengteng n dubdub..jarang dah dengar yg main bass rendah2 n panjang..

tp anyway i tetap suka sama internal spl n low frecuency extension punya..high power beb..gegar gitu..

thanks 4 your reply k.. Very Happy
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ble sy tau apa 2 volume enclosure?
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net volume enclosure = isipadu dalaman box lepas tolak isipadu sub/s, port/s n brace/s (kalau ada)..

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beautifulcreature wrote:
tp yg i tau port volume mesti sama wlupun port area lain..i mean kalu port asal 5"..mo tukar port 4" mesti lebih panjang..kalu tukar port yang x sama volume, net volume enclosure pun ikut berubah kan..frekuensi tuning jd x sama..bukan gitu ker..

kalau port area makin kecik, port length kana kasi pindik untuk maintain port tuning freq. yg sama.

kalau ko tukar dari 5" ke 4" punya port diameter dan ko kasi panjang tu port, ko punya port tuning freq. akan bertukar. Ini akan buat freq. response ko berlainan.

dari segi net enclosure volume, pertukaran saiz port diameter dari 5" ke 4" akan memberi effect yang sangat kecil i.e. negligible jika port tuning freq. masi di maintain.

dari contoh awal yg di bagi, jika port tuning freq. di kekal pada 35hz, pertukaran port diameter dari 5" ke 4" akan memberi perubahan net enclosure volume pada 0.076 cu.ft.
Perubahan ini tersangat la kecil untuk memberi kelainan sound yg ketara.
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bagi i port mesti ngam gak..supaya pergerakan keluar masuk angin seimbang ngan volume enclosure n kekuatan daya tolakan sub..kalu x ngan subs bole rosak..


kalau main ported box, jika main frequency di bawah port tuning frequency, ia akan menyebab kan subwoofer ko over-excursion dan rosak pa surround, spider atau tinsel lead. Ada juga voice coil nya dislodge dari gap nya.

kita akan set infrasonic filter supaya subwoofer tidak main freq. di bawah port tuning freq.

apa yg ko explain di atas ni agak general. Kena bagi spesifik sikit.
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beautifulcreature wrote:
tp anyway i tetap suka sama internal spl n low frecuency extension punya..high power beb..gegar gitu..

apa audio setup ko bro?

saya pun sama juga, suka main loud n low.

dulu pakai dua biji 15" dgn port tuning 33hz. Sebelum tu main dgn 28hz port tuning.
subwoofer jenis SQ i.e. Adire Audio Brahma. Belum ada subwoofer lain lagi yg boleh main low & clean sebaik subwoofer ni yg so far saya pernah dingar la. Cuma belum ada peluang dengar JL Audio W7 yg di kata kan power juga.
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Bro kippo, taste saya pun bgitu, super low bass.. saya kira2 mau main dgn port tuning 30hz guna 2x12" Memphis M3 subwoofer, sub ada suda, blum bikin box lg. sekarang ni main 40hz jak pakai 2x12" Memphis PR sebab macam itu jak tahap terendah yg boleh capai oleh PR sub ni.
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mcmna mau tau HZ ssbuah port tuning 2?
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I punya set subwoofer soundstream model lama spl160..pakai box besar bagak 3.8cu ngan 2x4"x16" port tune ke 30hz..ader gak rupanya yg masih minat main lagu2 rendah yer.. Smile best bro.. baru ganaz n seram..

JLw7 mcm best kan.. kalu tengok mcm kurang guna karan tapi kuat.. single coil je.. 3ohm punya.. i pun teringin nak dengar..





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bro ko upload lu bha pic sound ko kt topic photo 2.
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kalu kita orang simple je..pakai test tone..mana2 tone yg paling ngam/kuat maknanya tone tu le dia punya tune..ade gak alatnya..tp mcm kiter orang nie yg kampung2 je style gitu je la..
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mcmna kmu ble anggarkn 30hz,40hz etc..adakh dr amp trsebut?
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ade gambar dia kat atas..yang tu pakai box xde lubang 1.8cu..tp mcm x cukup kaw..skg tengah pasang set baru..alang2 main spl pakai box besar n lubang..arap2le ngam..kalu dah siap nti i upload k..mesti kena gelak..
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Yg kat amp tu mcm crossover je..kasi filter bunyi je tu..tune suma dari box..kalu kite dengar bunyi yg bikin takut maksudnya area 30-50hz lah tu..
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AA Brahma tu yg 1600wrms ker bro kippo..gilak ehh..ganaz..i pernah tengok sekali kat penang..satu bijik je..box xde lubang..dia punya bunyi byk gegar oo..i ingat bukan sq je tuh tp maut gak dia punya spl tuh..
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I punya set subwoofer soundstream model lama spl160..pakai box besar bagak 3.8cu ngan 2x4"x16" port tune ke 30hz..


ummmmm... box 3.8 cu.ft tu net ka gross?

pasal port 2" x 4" x 16"(length) kalo couple dgn 3.8 cu.ft net ni.. port tuning nya 17.5 hz

kalo box 3.8 cu.ft net dgn port tuning 30hz, port dimension nya 2" x 4" x 4"(length)


yg main port tuning < 20hz ni hanya home theater ni..
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