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PostSubject: Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo   Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Icon_minitime20/11/2008, 9:17 am

Red Valve Cover engines, these are not EVO's , these are the Galant
VR4 engines , they are similar to the 1G engines in the US , but there
are some diffrences, VR4's have a 3 versions , VR4 200, VR4 220 , VR4
240 . The diffrence ? the VR4 200 and 220 comes with 450cc injectors
and they have a td05 14b , Intake manifold for 200 and 220 is a Cyclone
, VR4 240 is also called VR4RS from the E39A body , it has 510cc
injectors , the healthiest vr4 engine to buy is the 4g63 VR4rs auto
which comes with the td05 14b. vr4rs manual has td05 16g and a bigger
intercooler. And if you notice properly on the VR4 200,220 doesnt have
a diamond logo on its rocker cover, only the VR4RS and the evos have
it. How do u diffrenciate a EVO 1,2 and 3 , its pretty simple, 3 ways ,
ECU , PISTON CODE , CHASSIS CODE and extra wirings at the firewall.

Here are the pictures of the intakes & rocker covers

VR4RS ECi MULTI Intake (Big Port)
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008371an9
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 11112008479xu8

VR4 200,220 Cyclone Intake Manifold(Big Port) , VR4 200 Doesnt have the word "Intercooler" on it.
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008374gv5
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008379vf2

EVO I,II,III Intake Manifolds are all the same and so are the TB's
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008468kl9

Heres the evo engine , this is a evo III , there is a vacuum grey cylinder on the firewall , its only on the EVO III's
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008381pj3

All EVO's have 609 Air Flow Sensors
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008382fc6

Intercoolers , the vr4's and evo's do not have same intercoolers.
The Vr4 200,200 has a smaller one compared to the VR4RS , the Vr4rs are
smaller than the EVO 123, EVO 456 & 678 are totally diffrent.

VR4RS Intercooler
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008397il4

EVO 1,2,3 Intercooler
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008399md1


Exhaust Manifold

EVO Above , VR4 Below
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008420kt0


Turbo's

VR4RS and EVO1 has the same td05 small 16g while the evo2 has the td05 big 16g.
EVO III is a diffrent species. Somethings that I have experimented ,
the EVO 4-9 stock exhaust manifold will fit the 1g,2g 4G63 head , you
can use their TD05HR , but the problem is the clearance issue with the
alternator if its fitted in a DSM or EVO 1-3. Another engine is the RVR
, RVR has a 4g63 with td04HL , i guess td04HL is not that common in US
. td04HL is twin fin turbo and the turbine housing is nearly the size
of the 14b 6cm housing. The o2 housing of a the td05 14b will fit the
td04hl without mods.

EVO III Turbo
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008418ek0

Vr4 Turbo
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo 10112008430yk5


ECU's

as for Ecu's , all the evo's have different ecu's and mappings , the
evo3 has less timing in it due to high compression. Don't get fooled by
ecu's such as Mines and Ralliart, they are not worth it compared to
your DSMLink. All evo ecu's have EPROM on it. But of course DSMlink
isn't compatible with it.

vr4 200hp ECU 8618
vr4 220hp ECU 8618
vr4 240hp ECU 5818
E1 - 7701
E2 - 2468
E3 - 2364

Chassis Code:

EVO 1 --CD9A-SNGF
EVO 2 - CE9A-SNGF
EVO 3 - CE9A-SNGF


Injectors

Injector wise, guys, don't argue , we have few thousand cars over here, we cant be lying ,
VR4 200,220 Cyclones have 450cc injectors , VR4RS , Evo 1,2,3 have
yellow 510cc injectors , EVO 6-8 have 560cc injectors , another easy
upgrade is the RX7 denso injectors, they are 550cc. There are many
people who do think the EVO3 has a 560cc injectors, it doesn't. 450cc
VR4 injectors are blue in colour. 560cc injectors do have 560cc written
beside their injectors. Physically , look at the injector nozzle of the
510cc Yellow injector, if it has twin nozzles its a evo, if its a
single spray patern its the Vr4rs

Drivetrain
VR4 gb's have the weakest 1st gear (this was even stated in Jack Transmissions)
EVO 1-3 have close ratio gearboxes. Cars that run 2wd over here usually
go through a process where we throw away the extra gears & parts in
the GB since we want to run 2wd only. EVO III comes stock with LSD at
the rear.

Lately I opened up my evo III gb, it had something different in it,
rather than the normal coupling, mine had one with an engrave which
noted "Adelia Magic" , the picture is below, I contacted that Japanese
company through email, what they have mentioned is that , the allen
bolts can be removed from the coupling, there are two pieces of clutch
inside and some adjustments can be made to it , these adjustments will
determine the amount of torque i distribute between the rear and front
wheels. Once the clutch inside it tends to slip, it will then feed the
rear wheels. How true it is ? I am yet to find out.

Gearboxes codes
W5M33-2-NGRE Lancer gsr RS (1992, 1800cc) ?
W5M33-2-NNZT Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94 ?
W5M33-2-NPXV 91-94 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 6/90-2/94 ?
W5M33-2-NPZT 95-96 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94-6/96 ?
W5M33-2-NQBE Libero/Lancer Gsr, non lsd version of NRWE No 3.545
W5M33-2-NQBK 1991-92 to 4/92 VR4/ZR4 Galant ?
W5M33-2-NQBM 1992 Galant to 5/92 ?
W5M33-2-NRBE 92-95 Lancer GSR, lightweight synco's 2nd & 3rd No 3.545
W5M33-2-NRWE 92-95 Lancer GSR
W5M33-2-NRXD 1990 Cyborg No 3.545
W5M33-2-UPFE Evo3 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-UPGE Evo3 GSR non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-UPWE Evo3 GSR with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-UPYE Evo3 RS non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-WPFE Evo2 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-WPGE Evo2 GSR non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-WPVF Galant VR4 E84A ?
W5M33-2-WPWE Evo2 GSR with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-WPYE Evo2 RS non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-WQFE Evo1 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-WQFK Galant VR4 evo ? ?
W5M33-2-WQGE Evo1 GSR non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-WQNK VR4 Evo, close ratio box ? No 3.909
W5M33-2-WQWE Evo1 GSR (and RS?) with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-WQYE Evo1 RS non LSD No 3.909
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PostSubject: Re: Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo   Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Icon_minitime21/11/2008, 7:29 am

seemaatt laa info abg tony nie...
ko try dulu detect enjin stendet gaban aku ni... apa jenis ni?? vr4 or evo3?

aku dulu main beli jak..

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc02311[/img]
- enjin sekarang

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc02312[/img]

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc02313[/img]


[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Mvc-0111[/img]

- time pakai enjin lama

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc02210[/img]

enjin lama.. babaiiii...
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PostSubject: Re: Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo   Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Icon_minitime22/11/2008, 9:35 pm

napa x ambil turbo alang2 broo..?
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Memang 1st ingat mau main turbo.. tapi pikir balik bab maintainence kena rapi kan klu turbo nie.. klu tutup enjin tuh tidak bleh main sembarangan, minyak itam kena jaga, pandai bocor agi (vacum), wastegate blowoff throttle body.. huhuhu...

aku mau main tuh supercharge.. mau target pickup jak baa klu jalan kat sabah nie, korang sugest kat aku pakai supercharge apa agak2??

mau bikin mcm nie baa semaat nie...

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masalahnya ruang jak.. muat ka tidak... Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo   Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Icon_minitime24/11/2008, 3:50 pm

PerdVr4 wrote:
seemaatt laa info abg tony nie...
ko try dulu detect enjin stendet gaban aku ni... apa jenis ni?? vr4 or evo3?

aku dulu main beli jak..

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc02311[/img]
- enjin sekarang

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc02312[/img]

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc02313[/img]


[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Mvc-0111[/img]

- time pakai enjin lama

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc02210[/img]

enjin lama.. babaiiii...

enjin ko memang enjin evo...tp xpasti evo berapa....ko bule check code komputer box ko tu....manifold ko pakai balik yg lama kah sama thottle body..???sbb skrg xda turbo injector ko mesti pakai balik yg lama kan....nanti lebih minyak tu....
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PostSubject: Re: Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo   Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Icon_minitime24/11/2008, 3:55 pm

PerdVr4 wrote:
masalahnya ruang jak.. muat ka tidak... Suspect

of coz muat...tp sempit jah pas pasang....kos supercas saya rasa mahal drpd turbo...fikir2 dulu lah.....kuat jugak NA skrg???
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cip tony mcm mna ko buli pastikn tu enjin evo..?
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[b]tony84 wrote:[/b]
- enjin ko memang enjin evo...tp xpasti evo berapa....ko bule check code komputer box ko tu....manifold ko pakai balik yg lama kah sama thottle body..???sbb skrg xda turbo injector ko mesti pakai balik yg lama kan....nanti lebih minyak tu....




aku salin terus bulat2.. pakai suma dia punya throtle body, manifold,
throttle body aku yg lama udah angkang, gila2 rpm tu, klu on acond mampus terus hehee.. putus asa aku pakai enjin lama tuh.. service t.body, ganti, sama gak result dia.. ganti enjin teruss laaa alamatnya..

turbo injector??? nozzle kaa?? kat mana mau tgk tu?? apa maksud abg tony "Nanti lebih minyak tu"?
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PostSubject: Re: Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo   Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Icon_minitime24/11/2008, 7:23 pm

pasang a.filter aja.. mau amik steel tapi bnyk problem mekanikal.. kuikuikui..

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc03013[/img]

stendet aja... buleh2 laaa bawa2 beli ikan.. hehe..

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc03012[/img]

[img]http://www.sioloon.com/engine-performance-f9/Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Dsc03011[/img]

609 a.flow sensor yg membawa kekusustan huhu...

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tony84 wrote:
PerdVr4 wrote:
masalahnya ruang jak.. muat ka tidak... Suspect

of coz muat...tp sempit jah pas pasang....kos supercas saya rasa mahal drpd turbo...fikir2 dulu lah.....kuat jugak NA skrg???


NA skrg.. ermm berat tul baa kereta aku joo.. rim saja mau berapa tan hehe (cap ayam)... sukur2 jak laa bawa beli2 sayur..

klu korner agi klu speed lebih 140 cam tu tidak grip udah makin jauh apa plak istilah tuh oversteer kaa understeer?? aaa. mcm tuh laa.
fikir2 absorber agi nie...

korang rasa mana tahan n berbaloi. Setakat ni aku udah jumpa GAB, Hotbits, ngan KW. harga lain2.. pendapat abang2 sekalian ??
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tgu cip tony on9..dia pakar 4G63 nie...
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ProjectD wrote:
cip tony mcm mna ko buli pastikn tu enjin evo..?

1. evo head xda warna lain selain kelabu....
2. head warna kelabu ada 2 jenis
i) evo 1 2 3
ii) evo RVR (rupa dia mcm Pajero)
Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Mmc_rvr_5

perbezaan evo dan rvr dpt dilihat dari TB nya....

enjin rvr
tmpat race minyak terbalik...

Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Picture%5C96255015540

ini pulak 4g63 rvr generasi baru...
(besa ada kat mitsubishi esclipse,beza dia tutup tangki air melekat di enjin dan head dia tulis DOHC 2000 bkn DOHC 16 VALVE...)
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PerdVr4 wrote:
tony84 wrote:
PerdVr4 wrote:
masalahnya ruang jak.. muat ka tidak... Suspect

of coz muat...tp sempit jah pas pasang....kos supercas saya rasa mahal drpd turbo...fikir2 dulu lah.....kuat jugak NA skrg???


NA skrg.. ermm berat tul baa kereta aku joo.. rim saja mau berapa tan hehe (cap ayam)... sukur2 jak laa bawa beli2 sayur..

klu korner agi klu speed lebih 140 cam tu tidak grip udah makin jauh apa plak istilah tuh oversteer kaa understeer?? aaa. mcm tuh laa.
fikir2 absorber agi nie...

korang rasa mana tahan n berbaloi. Setakat ni aku udah jumpa GAB, Hotbits, ngan KW. harga lain2.. pendapat abang2 sekalian ??

klu mau comfortable pakai Improve lah...KW sama Hotbits masi baru dlm pasaran...tp klu ko byk duit ko pakai TEIN lOL....hehe..kompom MAntap...

Enjin ko memang NA ko ambik?? bkn turbo???
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So...pasti enjin ko evo RVR...
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ow..ada pulak evo non turbo...tq bro tony...
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rasanya mcm enjin evo3 N/A ja 2..mau tgk beza enjin RVR dgn Evo N/A distrubuter ja..yg pernah nampak dan tau la..nda tau la klau ada org yg mmg pakar enjin pernah nampak depan mata...
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PostSubject: Re: Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo   Perbezaan 4g63 VR4 & Evo Icon_minitime26/11/2008, 2:45 pm

chasis wira buli masuk enjin apa tanpa ubah maunting?
siapa buli tolong kasi list??
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Tenz wrote:
chasis wira buli masuk enjin apa tanpa ubah maunting?
siapa buli tolong kasi list??

4G1x, 4G9x & 4G6x
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4G6x mmg mau ubah masuk wira cip...
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4G6x tidak perlu ubah mounting, cuma braketnya saja yg perlu diubah, kalau ubah mounting, Puspakom tidak approve
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kalau bgtu pun 4G9x x perlu lah ubah mounting namana kan cip..ubah braket lah tu kn...
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kalau bgtu pun 4G9x x perlu lah ubah mounting namana kan cip..ubah braket lah tu kn...

Yup, mounting itu yg fix malakat sama body kreta, braket plak besi yg pegang mounting dgn enjin tuh
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tp tmpt aku ubah mounting Very Happy
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tp tmpt aku ubah mounting Very Happy

Mounting yang mana satu tuh?
Sy punya langsung tiada ubah, semua braket yang kena ubah kecuali braket g/box, langsung tiada kacau
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