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powerrud CONTRIBUTOR
Countries/State : Age : 44 location : Tawau-kk-papar Tag ID: : SFC 11816 Points : 12446 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 1654
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 6:39 pm | |
| siapa c taaron di ais hifi tu arr? manatau bleh jd geng TT |
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finalazy84 MODERATOR
Countries/State : Age : 40 location : Keningau - KK Tag ID: : SFC 04901 Points : 15396 Reputation : 41 Number of posts : 3863
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 6:57 pm | |
| ndatau owh power...cuba ko PM...hehe taupn memang suda join kita TT pn kali...haha ba beli jgn nda beli tu dremel.ada tu dijual d lowyat.net.
kippo: klau 1000w RMS amp dn gain suda balance dngn vol HU pkai (DMM) klau full vol memang smpai tu.tapi bukn la kita pasang full vol sja slalu kn...hehe kali nda la kasi max juga tu...dn gain slalu klau cam kami ni, memang buka sikit sja.jdi memang tdk smpai la. |
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Andreww SENIOR
Countries/State : Age : 39 location : Beaufort Points : 11838 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 810
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 8:14 pm | |
| Hehehe...c Kippo....nda mo lawanlah sama sifu Kippo, kan kippo seniur sini....bah join2 bah Kippo sama geng2 SQ ni sini...kita orang pun budak2 baru belajar....mau pakai wayar apa pun tia tau ni ohh....sa ckp pasal RMS bah tu Kippo bukan max power.... |
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finalazy84 MODERATOR
Countries/State : Age : 40 location : Keningau - KK Tag ID: : SFC 04901 Points : 15396 Reputation : 41 Number of posts : 3863
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 8:16 pm | |
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Andreww SENIOR
Countries/State : Age : 39 location : Beaufort Points : 11838 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 810
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 8:47 pm | |
| Ada...sa pakai Sanwa ja, Japs punya kali tu...Osciloscope pun ada ni...tinggal mo beli Phase Checker sama tu external sounds card ja, mic sudah ada tu Pioneer Home Theater punya mic sa pakai, yg mo set d rumah tu...tia tau samakah nda fungsi dia tu kalau mo apply d kereta....btw si Kippo ni c Apple kah? |
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finalazy84 MODERATOR
Countries/State : Age : 40 location : Keningau - KK Tag ID: : SFC 04901 Points : 15396 Reputation : 41 Number of posts : 3863
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 8:53 pm | |
| Apple? ndatau...hehe tnggu dia kstau ko...hehe
wah...lngkap ni brang2 ko tau...osciloscope ko main pkai mic tau yg cam DMM tu? main cucuk sja trus buli nmpak tu wave? macam ingin2 juga mau ada tu...tpi tdk tau pkai...hehe slalu mslh sya mau balance left right ba.klau pkai telinga sengsara pula kluar masuk kreta...hehe |
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kippo SENIOR
Age : 55 location : Labuan-KK Points : 12029 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 762
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 10:41 pm | |
| - finalazy84 wrote:
- ndatau owh power...cuba ko PM...hehe taupn memang suda join kita TT pn kali...haha
ba beli jgn nda beli tu dremel.ada tu dijual d lowyat.net.
kippo: klau 1000w RMS amp dn gain suda balance dngn vol HU pkai (DMM) klau full vol memang smpai tu.tapi bukn la kita pasang full vol sja slalu kn...hehe kali nda la kasi max juga tu...dn gain slalu klau cam kami ni, memang buka sikit sja.jdi memang tdk smpai la. bro, maksud saya duty cycle musik ni bukan 100% macam test tones. Jadi walaupun pasang musik full vol., itu amp bukan kasi output 1000W RMS continuously. Masa musical transient saja tu amp kerja karas gia. DMM ko ada RMS display ka? |
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Andreww SENIOR
Countries/State : Age : 39 location : Beaufort Points : 11838 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 810
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 10:45 pm | |
| Hehehe....ko ni kan kippo hehehe....malas sa mo ajar kalau sudah sifu ni, ko google ja lah sendiri....sa diam2 sajalah....bah join2 bah kita orang sini slalu....perlu bah kepakaran ko sini ni....c ck pun kalau masuk masa mo join tt ja.... |
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kippo SENIOR
Age : 55 location : Labuan-KK Points : 12029 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 762
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 10:48 pm | |
| - Andreww wrote:
- Ada...sa pakai Sanwa ja, Japs punya kali tu...Osciloscope pun ada ni...tinggal mo beli Phase Checker sama tu external sounds card ja, mic sudah ada tu Pioneer Home Theater punya mic sa pakai, yg mo set d rumah tu...tia tau samakah nda fungsi dia tu kalau mo apply d kereta....btw si Kippo ni c Apple kah?
sorry bro, bukan saya mo lawan2 ba. saya nda paham maksud ko tu ba tadi. Lama suda ba saya nda main sound ni, banyak suda lupa2 ni. si Apple tu siapa ah? bro, apa brand scope-meter ko bili? brapa & d mana? ko mo main RTA ka tu bro? |
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kippo SENIOR
Age : 55 location : Labuan-KK Points : 12029 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 762
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 10:52 pm | |
| - finalazy84 wrote:
- klau pkai telinga sengsara pula kluar masuk kreta...hehe
hehe dulu pun saya pakai telinga, bila suda tuli sebalah telinga kiri (klinik pun kompom), saya tepaksa pinjam telinga urg hehehe |
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Andreww SENIOR
Countries/State : Age : 39 location : Beaufort Points : 11838 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 810
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 10:52 pm | |
| Hehehe....ndada bah barang2 kampung2 ja bah tu bro....saja2 mo kasih minta puji sama c FInal...
BTW cuba ko pikir bah amp ko 1000 W RMS and sub ko 1000 W RMS tu belum mau ckp peak power dia masa transient tu muzik yg cuma berlaku once in a while.... tapi ko pakai 8 gauge punya cable hehehe....tu baru sub tu.....belum lagi masuk front 3 ways c Final punya future setup...sekali kena underpower angkang tarus speaker ribuan c final......nasib2 nda tabakar wayar...
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kippo SENIOR
Age : 55 location : Labuan-KK Points : 12029 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 762
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 11:00 pm | |
| - Andreww wrote:
- Hehehe....ko ni kan kippo hehehe....malas sa mo ajar kalau sudah sifu ni, ko google ja lah sendiri....sa diam2 sajalah....bah join2 bah kita orang sini slalu....perlu bah kepakaran ko sini ni....c ck pun kalau masuk masa mo join tt ja....
ko pun pakar suda ba kalau main osiloskop ni rajin saya sini dulu tapi macam tiba2 sanyap forum ni. Sama sibuk sama kerja, langsung tidak masuk sini ni. lagipun pun projek sound saya pun terbengkalai ni. Teda masa betul mo pasang |
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Andreww SENIOR
Countries/State : Age : 39 location : Beaufort Points : 11838 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 810
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 11:04 pm | |
| - kippo wrote:
- finalazy84 wrote:
- ndatau owh power...cuba ko PM...hehe taupn memang suda join kita TT pn kali...haha
ba beli jgn nda beli tu dremel.ada tu dijual d lowyat.net.
kippo: klau 1000w RMS amp dn gain suda balance dngn vol HU pkai (DMM) klau full vol memang smpai tu.tapi bukn la kita pasang full vol sja slalu kn...hehe kali nda la kasi max juga tu...dn gain slalu klau cam kami ni, memang buka sikit sja.jdi memang tdk smpai la. bro, maksud saya duty cycle musik ni bukan 100% macam test tones. Jadi walaupun pasang musik full vol., itu amp bukan kasi output 1000W RMS continuously. Masa musical transient saja tu amp kerja karas gia.
DMM ko ada RMS display ka? Bro, RMS tu kan ertinya Root Mean Square, continous power yg amp tu boleh produce, peak power barulah tia contonious... |
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kippo SENIOR
Age : 55 location : Labuan-KK Points : 12029 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 762
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 11:11 pm | |
| bro Andreww, yep betul yg ko blang tu.
saya tia pakai DMM kalau set gain sabab DMM saya teda measure RMS. Peak voltage saja la ada.
tu la saya tanya si Final kalau DMM dia ada RMS sebab kalau DMM model ada measure RMS ni harga nya buli tahan la |
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kippo SENIOR
Age : 55 location : Labuan-KK Points : 12029 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 762
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 11:21 pm | |
| - Andreww wrote:
- Hehehe....ndada bah barang2 kampung2 ja bah tu bro....saja2 mo kasih minta puji sama c FInal...
BTW cuba ko pikir bah amp ko 1000 W RMS and sub ko 1000 W RMS tu belum mau ckp peak power dia masa transient tu muzik yg cuma berlaku once in a while.... tapi ko pakai 8 gauge punya cable hehehe....tu baru sub tu.....belum lagi masuk front 3 ways c Final punya future setup...sekali kena underpower angkang tarus speaker ribuan c final......nasib2 nda tabakar wayar... bro, osiloskop ni mana kampung2 ni buss. Harga ribu2 ni ohh. kalau si Final mao pasang banyak amps, memang 8-awg ni ada kici la. brapa la total amp watt dia mo pasang tu? |
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Andreww SENIOR
Countries/State : Age : 39 location : Beaufort Points : 11838 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 810
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 11:22 pm | |
| aik.....guna formulalah bro..... |
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kippo SENIOR
Age : 55 location : Labuan-KK Points : 12029 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 762
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 18/9/2011, 11:33 pm | |
| - Andreww wrote:
- aik.....guna formulalah bro.....
oh yah kan.. |
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Boi SENIOR
Countries/State : Age : 35 location : Sabah Points : 12595 Reputation : 1 Number of posts : 918
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 19/9/2011, 7:43 am | |
| syok oo perbincangan sini.. baca2 + info.
nizam - ya d kk. lepak2 jak sini. |
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finalazy84 MODERATOR
Countries/State : Age : 40 location : Keningau - KK Tag ID: : SFC 04901 Points : 15396 Reputation : 41 Number of posts : 3863
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 19/9/2011, 9:27 am | |
| sya baru pkai sub 500rms + amp underpower 350rms sja...huhu
ala si andrew ni orang tnya btul2 ko main2...ko ada DMM osciloscope ka?ada tu china made punya...ok ka tu?mura2 pn 600 lebi juga owh.tu pn ebay. huhu btw, itu D2 ba...vol klau suda lebi 0db dia clip suda ka tu signal HU? |
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Andreww SENIOR
Countries/State : Age : 39 location : Beaufort Points : 11838 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 810
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 19/9/2011, 2:21 pm | |
| Jangan risaulah Final, ko tia underpower bah tu 12W3 ko, cuba ko tgk ni sini diagram power requirement 12W3 ko...jgn kurang n jangan lebih dari apa yang JL Audio recommend.... http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs_pages.php?page_id=35 berdasarkan digram tu untuk 12W3 minimum 125W RMS and maximum dalam 400 W RMS....so kalau ko provide 350 W RMS its just nice...tapi ko kena ingat ni company macam JL Audio ni dorang suka kasih underate dorang punya specs...kalau ko google banyak org yg ckp dorang push dgn power yang lebih besar daripada recommended...tapi warranty tanggung sendirilah....
BTW apa yang sa sama c Kippo ckp ni pasal power cable bah....ko kena tgk berapa current draw tu amp ko....kalau amp ko draw 120 amp tapi ko cuma guna 8 awg punya cable dengan panjang 5 meter, alamat kalau tia cable ko tebakar ko akan cium bau asap sebelum dia tebakar...tapi ko pakai fius maksud dia balik2lah ko tukar fius tu nanti....8 awg cuma boleh angkat dalam 80 ampere ja sa rasa tu pun dengan kepanjangan 3 meter ( sa tia berapa pasti cos malas mo rujuk tu chart dia).
BTW c Mike ckp ama sa tu D2 dalam 2V sudah clip tapi sa tia picayalah...cos kalau ko baca manual dia dia ckp sana tu D2 4 V RMS dia punya voltage sebelum 0 db bila sampai max +6 db dia ckp sana 8 V RMS. Cuba ko rujuk manual dia. Ni thread d Diyma may be boleh membantu
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/general-car-audio-discussion-no-question-dumb/84060-clarion-hxd2-output.html
BTW FInal, kalau ko mo beli tu scope beli ja bah, okay bah tu China made, yg hand held punyakan? Kalau bukan handheld punya jgn araplah dpt rm600 hehehe...ribuan puluhan ribu harga tu barang hehehehe.....
Anyway, kalau ko udah ada scope tia payahlah sudah ko tu DMM, DMM ni penyelesaian orang miskin yg tidak mampu dpt scope.....pakai DMM ni maksud dia main agak2, cos tia brapa tepat, cos kadang2 amp tu kena underate dia punya specs kita cuma main agak2 saja then kira guna formula dia, lagi satu kalau ko ada dummy load 4 ohm lagi bagus...
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powerrud CONTRIBUTOR
Countries/State : Age : 44 location : Tawau-kk-papar Tag ID: : SFC 11816 Points : 12446 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 1654
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 19/9/2011, 4:05 pm | |
| fuh xpert talk...mau dgr sound org xpert ni tau |
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finalazy84 MODERATOR
Countries/State : Age : 40 location : Keningau - KK Tag ID: : SFC 04901 Points : 15396 Reputation : 41 Number of posts : 3863
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 19/9/2011, 5:28 pm | |
| hehe expert punya sound ko kena kasi pengeras dulu baru buli dtg sna...klau mau dngar sound dia mau yg lagi karas...haha
andrew: yg handheld punya...paling bnyak d ebay tu...ada osciloscope skali.tpi dmm style la...serius ba 2v clip?hehe itu macam bgus lagi alpine la...hehe mnatau sya jln2 p tmpt ko, buli ba kn kasi imbang gain sya...cam sya tdk trust ba ni tlinga left right ni cam nda ngam.lebi2 lgi klau midbass.susa mau dngar sbab low tone suda ba.tweeter at least senang sikit.
klau pkai tlinga, kamu dngar dari tngah2 dari tmpt duduk blakang ba kn?
btw, sa pkai 4awg...tpi fuse pkai kecik2 sja...macam 100A sja tu.kurang tdk apa ba...jgn sja slalu blown la...jgn ja lebi la...hehe dari distro pegi amp baru 8awg...sebab pndek sja...tdk smpai 2ft...tpi mau bikin tu nanti kasi 4awg juga...hehe...skrg lom ada masa ba...huhu baru kumpul idea dn buat planning...hehe
itu website psal D2 macam lebi kpada voltage tu HU sja tu.gila juga 8V dari 0 to +6db...huhu |
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powerrud CONTRIBUTOR
Countries/State : Age : 44 location : Tawau-kk-papar Tag ID: : SFC 11816 Points : 12446 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 1654
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 19/9/2011, 7:14 pm | |
| hehe...bleh, mau bawa ayam hitam ka...bikin takut owh mau kasi imbang gain pakai scope2 sgala..aku teda pun tp ok saja..oh mungkin clarion lain bah, pioneer sama2 skali gain..haha, oleh itu pakailah pioneer, bukannya clarion tdk bgus cuma kalau tt senang kita mengadjust sbb sama hehe...
niz amacam ko punya setup..ok udah? aku pun mau mencari p80 balik ni, nda jd la passive.. |
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finalazy84 MODERATOR
Countries/State : Age : 40 location : Keningau - KK Tag ID: : SFC 04901 Points : 15396 Reputation : 41 Number of posts : 3863
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 19/9/2011, 8:02 pm | |
| sekali juga ba power...mksud sya gain amp tu ba.klau g2 next time ko tolong la...hehe sya putar, ko d dlm dngar...hehe selalu bila lepas adjust suda, macam ngam, tapi bila suda start TA, macam kuat pula d kanan sikit.nanti lepas tu kiri pula kuat...adeii bila suda mls kluar masuk kreta sa hntam2 sja la...hehe |
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powerrud CONTRIBUTOR
Countries/State : Age : 44 location : Tawau-kk-papar Tag ID: : SFC 11816 Points : 12446 Reputation : 4 Number of posts : 1654
| Subject: Re: SQ style ICE V7 19/9/2011, 9:08 pm | |
| oh lain juga gain amp ko, mid kiri kanan lain, patut mid sama2, tweeter sama2..hehe bleh bah, kalau dengar ja teda prob...oh kiri kanan kuat tu kalau suda cek balance di HU ngam, dari xover ja tu kasi balance, active ni pelik sikit..tu TA memang ada efek, cuma tuk dapat center image n up sebelah kiri sikit, pastu baru fine tune xover...ndapa sama2 kita blajar...ada lg tu mau di tau, hehe macam mana mau detect bunyi tu stretched atau skewed, kita mau yg normal tanpa stretched & skewed..tu tahap mau rely telinga ja udah tu melalui practice n pengamatan pd bunyi yg tinggi hehe |
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