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conggoz REGULAR
Age : 43 location : Semporna,Tawau,KK Points : 12130 Reputation : 0 Number of posts : 392
| Subject: Extractor.. 1/7/2008, 7:25 pm | |
| Menukar sistem ekzos tak semestinye menyebabkan penggunaan minyak bertambah. Antara komponen penting sistem ekzos yg boleh ditukar utk menjimatkan minyak dan menambah performance ialah extractor/header. Masalah utama ialah org byk dgr org ckp yg kate 'tukar ekzos minyak kuat pakai' 'pakai je ekzos standard minyak save' tanpe die mengkaji sendiri sbb ape setup yg berbeza boleh mempengaruhi performance dan penggunaan minyak. Byk kat buku dan internet bincangkan ttg nih. Atau cari majalah2 kereta luar negara yg banyak membincangkan hal teknikal.
Itu sebab ramai org tak paham konsep efficiency. Tanyelah semue pembuat kereta skrg, sume cube meningkatkan efficiency yg mempengaruhi penambahan performance dan penjimatan minyak. Tanye kat engineer proton yg buat IAFM dan CPS yg tambah performace dan jimat minyak, tanye Toyota yg buat VVT-i. Kalau diaorg suke kate sumenye subjektif, maka diaorg anggap je perkare ni subjektif. Penggunaan minyak yg lebih tuh disebabkan org suke rev kereta lebih bile tukar sistem ekzos. Org berhak utk setuju dgm mane2 pendapat tp pendapat yg berdasarkan fakta ialah yg terbaik. Bukan sekadar ikut cakap org.
Tukar sistem ekzos pun boleh meningkatkan effieciency jike kena cara. ini pengalaman, tukar tuned extractor 4-2-1 mmg jimat minyak dan performance bertambah. Tp driving behaviour kene tolak tepi.
Ok,tanye kat engineer proton yg buat ekzos Wira SE. Kenape die tukar kpd tuned 4-2-1. Adakah menyebabkan minyak bertambah? Atau tanye kat engineer automotive yg lain. Atau tanye kat budak automotive engineering. Masalah skrg, kite byk dgr org ckp, hanye sbb die merasa orang itu otai. Maka org boleh tipu kite, mcm ckp menukar extractor 4-2-1 boleh mempercepatkan tindak balas pendikit dan mengorbankan minyak, kenape die cakap mcm tuh. Kenape tak terangkan pengaruh reka bentuk extractor terhadap fresh air-fuel mixture, intake stroke dan power stroke? Kenape die tak terangkan dgn menukar kpd tuned 4-2-1 extractor, ia boleh membantu dalam membenarkan lebih byk percampuran a/f yg lbh efisyen. Knp tak terangkan siphoning dan scavenging effect?
Kalau pasal pengalaman, mmg jimat minyak. Kwn2 kat luar sane, lps tukar tuned extractor, sume rase jimat minyak. Ade yg cakap save 5%, terpulang pd care pemanduan. Teori VE mmg berdasarkan fakta, yg membuatkannye subjektif ialah cara pemanduan. Jgn takut utk menukar sistem ekzos, tp pastikan kite tahu selok beloknye.
- Info from Yeeha, G2C Borneo Region. |
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Ujang87 MODERATOR
Countries/State : Age : 37 location : all rounder,sabah Points : 12082 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 1899
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 1/7/2008, 7:47 pm | |
| Btul2....sa tlah melalui benda ni..jd sa rasa memang jimat memang ada power.. |
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Lemon_ae92 SENIOR
Age : 36 location : Keningau Tag ID: : SFC 02137 Points : 12396 Reputation : 0 Number of posts : 711
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 1/7/2008, 8:12 pm | |
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blugu ADMINISTRATOR
Countries/State : Age : 46 location : Kota Kinabalu-Putatan Tag ID: : SFC02202 Points : 12595 Reputation : 10 Number of posts : 2945
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 26/7/2008, 8:30 am | |
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blugu ADMINISTRATOR
Countries/State : Age : 46 location : Kota Kinabalu-Putatan Tag ID: : SFC02202 Points : 12595 Reputation : 10 Number of posts : 2945
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 26/7/2008, 8:37 am | |
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bitek CONTRIBUTOR
Countries/State : Age : 37 location : Pubpar-->KK Tag ID: : SFC03191 Points : 12164 Reputation : 1 Number of posts : 1288
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 26/7/2008, 10:27 am | |
| klau gear auto pkai ni brg bley ka bro..power akn brtmbah ka.. |
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Altec90 SUPERIOR
Countries/State : Age : 33 location : Sabah, KK, Penampang Tag ID: : SFC 02424 Points : 12720 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 1890
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 26/7/2008, 10:30 am | |
| aku pun menanya tentang demikian, apa kelebihan nya? |
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ProjectD ADMINISTRATOR
Countries/State : Age : 36 location : Kk-Keningau-Beaufort-Kuching Tag ID: : SFC02081 Points : 14368 Reputation : 10 Number of posts : 6723
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 27/7/2008, 9:05 am | |
| da tambah power...iswara auto ku guna sistem 4-2-1...ada tmbh power juga... |
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Ujang87 MODERATOR
Countries/State : Age : 37 location : all rounder,sabah Points : 12082 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 1899
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 27/7/2008, 9:30 am | |
| yup..memang btul..klau mau yg tune..ambik powerzone..mcm sa.. |
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blugu ADMINISTRATOR
Countries/State : Age : 46 location : Kota Kinabalu-Putatan Tag ID: : SFC02202 Points : 12595 Reputation : 10 Number of posts : 2945
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 27/7/2008, 10:49 am | |
| Power dlm 3-7hp gitu... tengok piping depan - belakang lagi... bullet, muffler... |
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Altec90 SUPERIOR
Countries/State : Age : 33 location : Sabah, KK, Penampang Tag ID: : SFC 02424 Points : 12720 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 1890
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 27/7/2008, 11:06 am | |
| blugu, apa different dia? 2 piece sama 1 piece? |
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drakult SIFU
Age : 47 location : SU, SA, SB Points : 12380 Reputation : -1 Number of posts : 6286
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 27/7/2008, 11:20 am | |
| ya plz explain what's the different between that two and which is suitable for NA/TURBO & MANUAL/AUTO..tq..nubies here..MANTAP!!?!! |
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blugu ADMINISTRATOR
Countries/State : Age : 46 location : Kota Kinabalu-Putatan Tag ID: : SFC02202 Points : 12595 Reputation : 10 Number of posts : 2945
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 27/7/2008, 12:12 pm | |
| There is no difference in power between the two designs. One-piece 4-2-1 headers are lighter because the middle flange section is eliminated, but are more difficult to install if you do not have access to a lift/installation. Two-piece 4-2-1 header designs are much easier to install because of the additional flange that connects the upper primary piping to the lower secondary piping, enabling the installer to install the upper section from above and mate the lower section from under the vehicle. Although it is possible to install a one-piece design without a lift, Recommendation are the two-piece 4-2-1 design for enthusiasts who plan to install their header using jack stands.
Sy rasa tiada beza auto dgn manual extraktor nie cip... psl 3-1 juga |
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giukmanga REGULAR
Age : 41 location : Bongawan Papar Sabah Points : 12197 Reputation : 0 Number of posts : 378
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 27/7/2008, 2:38 pm | |
| bro berapa harga untuk iswara punya 4-2-1 sama harga 4-1 n dmana ada jual..sa mau cari yang pipe yg steel |
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blugu ADMINISTRATOR
Countries/State : Age : 46 location : Kota Kinabalu-Putatan Tag ID: : SFC02202 Points : 12595 Reputation : 10 Number of posts : 2945
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 27/7/2008, 3:39 pm | |
| - giukmanga wrote:
- bro berapa harga untuk iswara punya 4-2-1 sama harga 4-1 n dmana ada jual..sa mau cari yang pipe yg steel
Cari di OSAKA, bandar Penampang Baru... dlm Rm320 masa sy beli dulu.. |
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ProjectD ADMINISTRATOR
Countries/State : Age : 36 location : Kk-Keningau-Beaufort-Kuching Tag ID: : SFC02081 Points : 14368 Reputation : 10 Number of posts : 6723
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 27/7/2008, 4:07 pm | |
| - giukmanga wrote:
- bro berapa harga untuk iswara punya 4-2-1 sama harga 4-1 n dmana ada jual..sa mau cari yang pipe yg steel
di fuji ada jual,bahagian atas....dlm rm1xx-2xx xsilap... |
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Altec90 SUPERIOR
Countries/State : Age : 33 location : Sabah, KK, Penampang Tag ID: : SFC 02424 Points : 12720 Reputation : 3 Number of posts : 1890
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 28/7/2008, 12:42 am | |
| - ProjectD wrote:
- giukmanga wrote:
- bro berapa harga untuk iswara punya 4-2-1 sama harga 4-1 n dmana ada jual..sa mau cari yang pipe yg steel
di fuji ada jual,bahagian atas....dlm rm1xx-2xx xsilap... aik.. barang murah, jangan jangan performance drop tak? |
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blugu ADMINISTRATOR
Countries/State : Age : 46 location : Kota Kinabalu-Putatan Tag ID: : SFC02202 Points : 12595 Reputation : 10 Number of posts : 2945
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 29/7/2008, 10:39 pm | |
| - altec90 wrote:
aik.. barang murah, jangan jangan performance drop tak? Tidak pasti la altec90, kena survey sendiri juga tuh... |
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drakult SIFU
Age : 47 location : SU, SA, SB Points : 12380 Reputation : -1 Number of posts : 6286
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 30/7/2008, 7:38 pm | |
| boleh otai-otai kasi beza antara dua extractor ini?? 3-1/4-1: PRO & CONS?? 3-2-1/4-2-1: PRO&CONS?? harap penjelasan bro conggoz di awal post bagi topic nie dpt diperjelaskan lagi..baru kitanie makin MANTAP!!?!! |
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Street_Mover* CONTRIBUTOR
Age : 40 location : Kota Kinabalu Points : 12500 Reputation : 0 Number of posts : 1237
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 30/7/2008, 7:59 pm | |
| ni pengalaman sa lah, keta kenari ku 1.0 Auto.... pas sa tukar extractor, buang tong besar stended blakang, sa tambah 2 bullet.... piping depan spi blakang x kacau, stended hbs 1.5" kilang........ perbezaan yg ketara ialah, pick up bertambah, mcm ringan jak injin tuh.... myk x bezanya penggunaan, melainkan kaki tuh gatal mo tekan sampai lantai & redline...... dan sa menggunakan open pod filter Simota...... masa stended berabis 100% spec kilang ... max speed keta 155 km/h ... selepas tukar semua yg disebut diatas tadi tuh ... power injin terasa ... 160 km/h (hbs meter) ... tp x tau brp ketepatan sebenar, x RSM |
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bitek CONTRIBUTOR
Countries/State : Age : 37 location : Pubpar-->KK Tag ID: : SFC03191 Points : 12164 Reputation : 1 Number of posts : 1288
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 30/7/2008, 9:11 pm | |
| good info bro...sa pn pkai auto..tp berat tul rsa tu enjin..so skrg sa sda dpt ilham cmna mo kc ringan tu enjin..thnx bro.. |
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Street_Mover* CONTRIBUTOR
Age : 40 location : Kota Kinabalu Points : 12500 Reputation : 0 Number of posts : 1237
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 1/8/2008, 5:29 pm | |
| huhhhh alahhhh bkn nya apa pun..... saja konsi pengalaman, |
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nic961 SENIOR
Age : 36 location : kota kinabalu Points : 12527 Reputation : 0 Number of posts : 524
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 3/8/2008, 7:49 pm | |
| hehe..power mmg la..sebab aku pun pakai xtractor..3-1....ori piping depan,buang tabung ori tukar lurus sport...tabung sport keluar 2inch sampai muffler blkg 4inch...jimat minyak kah x tau la...bising jak.. 4-2-1 sesuai auto,got pick..sebab auto berat..nak sikit toque....4-1 sesuai manual,4 rpm tinggi...biasa kalo twin cam gear 3 syok tarik la..hehe... |
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Diens13 FRESHIE
Countries/State : Age : 47 location : kota kinabalu Points : 12287 Reputation : 0 Number of posts : 60
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 7/8/2008, 4:11 pm | |
| - ProjectD wrote:
- da tambah power...iswara auto ku guna sistem 4-2-1...ada tmbh power juga...
kalau iswara lmst taiko mcm mama.yang lebih boleh kasi naik itu power? perlu bantuan..... |
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blugu ADMINISTRATOR
Countries/State : Age : 46 location : Kota Kinabalu-Putatan Tag ID: : SFC02202 Points : 12595 Reputation : 10 Number of posts : 2945
| Subject: Re: Extractor.. 7/8/2008, 4:18 pm | |
| - Diens13 wrote:
- ProjectD wrote:
- da tambah power...iswara auto ku guna sistem 4-2-1...ada tmbh power juga...
kalau iswara lmst taiko mcm mana.yang lebih boleh kasi naik itu power? perlu bantuan..... Nak power, tukar ke open pod air filter, piping lepas 4-2-1 extrator, tukar pergi 2 inci(susah nak cari 1.8 inci) pakai bullet tengah (yg bertwist), muffler pakai aftermarket S' type ... 1 whole system, dlm 7 - 10 hp naik.... |
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