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PostSubject: Extractor..   Extractor.. - Page 2 Icon_minitime1/7/2008, 7:25 pm

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Menukar sistem ekzos tak semestinye menyebabkan penggunaan minyak bertambah. Antara komponen penting sistem ekzos yg boleh ditukar utk menjimatkan minyak dan menambah performance ialah extractor/header. Masalah utama ialah org byk dgr org ckp yg kate 'tukar ekzos minyak kuat pakai' 'pakai je ekzos standard minyak save' tanpe die mengkaji sendiri sbb ape setup yg berbeza boleh mempengaruhi performance dan penggunaan minyak. Byk kat buku dan internet bincangkan ttg nih. Atau cari majalah2 kereta luar negara yg banyak membincangkan hal teknikal.

Itu sebab ramai org tak paham konsep efficiency. Tanyelah semue pembuat kereta skrg, sume cube meningkatkan efficiency yg mempengaruhi penambahan performance dan penjimatan minyak. Tanye kat engineer proton yg buat IAFM dan CPS yg tambah performace dan jimat minyak, tanye Toyota yg buat VVT-i. Kalau diaorg suke kate sumenye subjektif, maka diaorg anggap je perkare ni subjektif. Penggunaan minyak yg lebih tuh disebabkan org suke rev kereta lebih bile tukar sistem ekzos. Org berhak utk setuju dgm mane2 pendapat tp pendapat yg berdasarkan fakta ialah yg terbaik. Bukan sekadar ikut cakap org.

Tukar sistem ekzos pun boleh meningkatkan effieciency jike kena cara. ini pengalaman, tukar tuned extractor 4-2-1 mmg jimat minyak dan performance bertambah. Tp driving behaviour kene tolak tepi.

Ok,tanye kat engineer proton yg buat ekzos Wira SE. Kenape die tukar kpd tuned 4-2-1. Adakah menyebabkan minyak bertambah? Atau tanye kat engineer automotive yg lain. Atau tanye kat budak automotive engineering. Masalah skrg, kite byk dgr org ckp, hanye sbb die merasa orang itu otai. Maka org boleh tipu kite, mcm ckp menukar extractor 4-2-1 boleh mempercepatkan tindak balas pendikit dan mengorbankan minyak, kenape die cakap mcm tuh. Kenape tak terangkan pengaruh reka bentuk extractor terhadap fresh air-fuel mixture, intake stroke dan power stroke? Kenape die tak terangkan dgn menukar kpd tuned 4-2-1 extractor, ia boleh membantu dalam membenarkan lebih byk percampuran a/f yg lbh efisyen. Knp tak terangkan siphoning dan scavenging effect?

Kalau pasal pengalaman, mmg jimat minyak. Kwn2 kat luar sane, lps tukar tuned extractor, sume rase jimat minyak. Ade yg cakap save 5%, terpulang pd care pemanduan. Teori VE mmg berdasarkan fakta, yg membuatkannye subjektif ialah cara pemanduan. Jgn takut utk menukar sistem ekzos, tp pastikan kite tahu selok beloknye.

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PostSubject: Re: Extractor..   Extractor.. - Page 2 Icon_minitime7/8/2008, 4:23 pm

blugu wrote:
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da tambah power...iswara auto ku guna sistem 4-2-1...ada tmbh power juga...

kalau iswara lmst taiko mcm mana.yang lebih boleh kasi naik itu power?
perlu bantuan.....

Nak power, tukar ke open pod air filter, piping lepas 4-2-1 extrator, tukar pergi 2 inci(susah nak cari 1.8 inci) pakai bullet tengah (yg bertwist), muffler pakai aftermarket S' type ... 1 whole system, dlm 7 - 10 hp naik....

bro.. mananak buat semua benda tu.. dan brapa ongkosnya....
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Diens13 wrote:
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da tambah power...iswara auto ku guna sistem 4-2-1...ada tmbh power juga...

kalau iswara lmst taiko mcm mana.yang lebih boleh kasi naik itu power?
perlu bantuan.....

Nak power, tukar ke open pod air filter, piping lepas 4-2-1 extrator, tukar pergi 2 inci(susah nak cari 1.8 inci) pakai bullet tengah (yg bertwist), muffler pakai aftermarket S' type ... 1 whole system, dlm 7 - 10 hp naik....

bro.. mananak buat semua benda tu.. dan brapa ongkosnya....

Piping system utk buat di sekitar penampang( towering, bandar penampang baru, jalan bundusan - semua tempat tersebut berbeza harganya) atau di sekitar kawasan inanam, semuanya kena cari sendiri la bro, ini setakat pendapat sahaja... sediakan bajet dlm rm1.5K... plus open pod air filter c/w adaptor, kira masi murah berbanding dgn main sound system


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bro 4-2-1 ni dmana jual yang krom2 tuh berapa budjet?? ari sikit lg sa masukkan 4-1 pg iswara saya.. apa bezanya 4-2-1 ngan 4-1 bro...
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tuari sa sdh tkr cat con tgh standard. mufflr blm lg la. kalo tkr pi 4-2-1, muffler mcmana mo pakai? apa2 ja pun boley? aritu tu bos sana kedai ekzoz bgtau ada muffler yg power tp ada lebey myk sket. ada jg yg x kacau myk tp hp naik sket sajala. betul ka?
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giukmanga wrote:
bro 4-2-1 ni dmana jual yang krom2 tuh berapa budjet?? ari sikit lg sa masukkan 4-1 pg iswara saya.. apa bezanya 4-2-1 ngan 4-1 bro...

4-2-1 & s-flow piping propose slower air flow, create back
pressure thus causing better pickup. 4-1 & straight-flow piping allow
faster air flow, causing slower pickup but higher top speed
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nitrod wrote:
tuari sa sdh tkr cat con tgh standard. mufflr blm lg la. kalo tkr pi 4-2-1, muffler mcmana mo pakai? apa2 ja pun boley? aritu tu bos sana kedai ekzoz bgtau ada muffler yg power tp ada lebey myk sket. ada jg yg x kacau myk tp hp naik sket sajala. betul ka?

From the research that i made, please find this info for your reference;

http://www.quickhonda.net/exhaust.htm

http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/mufflers.html
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PostSubject: Re: Extractor..   Extractor.. - Page 2 Icon_minitime19/9/2008, 9:28 am

pendapat sa klau mau pick up kuat..pkai 4-1..sbab kebanyakan org yg main drag pakai extractor mcm ni..
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hehe..power mmg la..sebab aku pun pakai xtractor..3-1....ori piping depan,buang tabung ori tukar lurus sport...tabung sport keluar 2inch sampai muffler blkg 4inch...jimat minyak kah x tau la...bising jak.. Laughing


4-2-1 sesuai auto,got pick..sebab auto berat..nak sikit toque....4-1 sesuai manual,4 rpm tinggi...biasa kalo twin cam gear 3 syok tarik la..hehe...

really meh? bukan 4-2-1 utk manual n 4-1 utk auto ka bro? dont know
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klu tukar extractor sport, mau tukar muffler jg ka tu ah? tlg2 ajar aku yg baru mau blajar ni......... Very Happy
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giukmanga wrote:
bro 4-2-1 ni dmana jual yang krom2 tuh berapa budjet?? ari sikit lg sa masukkan 4-1 pg iswara saya.. apa bezanya 4-2-1 ngan 4-1 bro...

di osaka ada jual yg croom bro harga dlm 320 utk iswara
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bro berapa harga untuk iswara punya 4-2-1 sama harga 4-1 n dmana ada jual..sa mau cari yang pipe yg steel

di fuji ada jual,bahagian atas....dlm rm1xx-2xx xsilap...

aik.. barang murah, jangan jangan performance drop tak?
harga murah sbp bkn steel dan tanpa flexible dan pasang sendiri hehehe
harga dlm rm150
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yala...xsemestinya mahal perfomance naik bnyk..mau tgok org setting jga itu..huhuhuh.. What a Face
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yala...xsemestinya mahal perfomance naik bnyk..mau tgok org setting jga itu..huhuhuh.. What a Face
btl tu bro... mungkin dari segi ketahanan saja lah sbm meterial yg berbeza
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Red Bullet wrote:
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yala...xsemestinya mahal perfomance naik bnyk..mau tgok org setting jga itu..huhuhuh.. What a Face
btl tu bro... mungkin dari segi ketahanan saja lah sbm meterial yg berbeza
yala..saya pun pakai powerzone punya saja..tapi ada kawan saya enjin 4g91 pakai jasma.honda punya lain oh bunyi keta dia..dia mod bah masuk pg 4g91
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kalau 4-2-1 low to midrange
4-1 untuk top end, pasal tu kalau untuk drag, banyak yang pilih 4-1

secara peribadi, aku labih suka pakai 4-2-1 untuk kereta harian, maksud kereta yang aku pakai ni untuk kawasan bandar, maklum saja lah, tak perlu lah aku nak tekan sampai redline, power dah memadai bwteen low to middle aje

untuk enjin 4age aku, aku pakai ni, HKS super header type II, 4-2-1, percaya atau tidak manifold/header ni cukup sejuk, lepas tutup enjin kereta dalam 20 minit, pegang saja header tu tak panas

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mad4toy wrote:
kalau 4-2-1 low to midrange
4-1 untuk top end, pasal tu kalau untuk drag, banyak yang pilih 4-1

secara peribadi, aku labih suka pakai 4-2-1 untuk kereta harian, maksud kereta yang aku pakai ni untuk kawasan bandar, maklum saja lah, tak perlu lah aku nak tekan sampai redline, power dah memadai bwteen low to middle aje

untuk enjin 4age aku, aku pakai ni, HKS super header type II, 4-2-1, percaya atau tidak manifold/header ni cukup sejuk, lepas tutup enjin kereta dalam 20 minit, pegang saja header tu tak panas

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mantap lah extractor kau bro..mana beli?brapa kos nya?4agze boleh pakai kah ni bro?
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4agze memang boleh pasang, tapi kalau application dia RWD lah, kalau FWD tak boleh lah, header ni memang khas untuk AE86, aku beli baru harga dia dalam $1.2k
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mad4toy wrote:
4agze memang boleh pasang, tapi kalau application dia RWD lah, kalau FWD tak boleh lah, header ni memang khas untuk AE86, aku beli baru harga dia dalam $1.2k
di mana kau beli bro?
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aku beli d SHH pro shop, HKS authorized dealer di Brunei
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