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 |  Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett  10/6/2008, 7:09 pm | |
| Garrett Turbos:
Garrett basically has two lines of turbos. The ancient, inefficient T series turbos and the new, modern, ball
bearing GT series turbos.
- The newer line of GT turbos are ball bearing on journal and thrust bearing.
The turbine and compressor wheels are improvely aerodynamically to flow
more air. GT20, GT22, GT25, GT30, GT35, GT40, GT45, ... GT turbos
produce slightly more hp then older T series turbos with the same
number designation. A GT Garrett turbine wheel wil flow more air than
similar sized Greddy turbine wheel. Thus GT turbos are able to boost
higher and flow more.
- T family has T22, T25, T3, T350, To4B, To4E, TS04, To4R ...These are 50 year old, WWII generation turbos.
Turbonetics and many domestic makers turbos based on T series turbos. A T3/To4E 60 T .63A/R is a hybrid turbo with
T3 turbine, To4E compressor, 60 Trim compressor wheel and .63 A/R turbine housing.
Wheel "trim" refers to the squared ratio of the smaller diameter divided by the larger diameter times 100. Generally, the larger the trim number the more flow the wheel has.
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For compressor wheels , larger trim tends to mean slightly lower efficiency.
For "families" of turbine wheels (those with the same inducer diameter), larger trim usually means better flow with less backpressure but longer spool time.
A/R is a ratio of the exhaust discharge area vs the distance from the
center of turbine wheel to the center of the cross sectional area.
Smaller A/R housing has faster spool up. Bigger A/R housing has less
back pressure, more flow for the top end.[/size]
The so called "T-series': T60, T61, T66, T70, T72, T76... are T4 turbos as well. The number means the compressor inducer
size. ie: T76 means it has 76mm compressor inducer.[/size]
The newer line of Garrett GT-R turbos are hybrid turbos. For example, [/size]
GT28RS is a hybrid of GT28 turbine mated to 62 trim GT30 compressor.[/size]
GT30R is a hybrid of GT30 turbine mated to 56 trim GT37 compressor. [/size]
HKS uses Garrett turbos. HKS GT series turbos use Garrett GT's turbine with GT's compressor. For example, HKS GT 2835 is
GT28 turbine with GT35 52 trim compressor.
| GT35 Dimensions | 
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GT3037 is a hybrid of GT37 52 trim compressor and GT30 turbine.
| GT37 Turbo Dimensions | 
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I'm working on spec'ing a newer turbo, GT30R. It's smaller than 3037 physically, but it flows quite a bit more and more efficient than 3037.
It's a Garrett ball bearing GT turbo. It has 76mm compressor wheel, 60mm turbine wheel (same size as 3037).
76mm BCI-18 compressor wheel, 4" inlet, 2.5" outlet
60mm UHP turbine wheel, T3 inlet flange, 4" outlet, .82 a/r.
Garrett ball bearing GTx-R turbo | 
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[size=9]There're two commonly used types of turbos, Mitsubishi and Garrett turbos. There are others but as not common...such as IHI, KKK turbos Mitsu and Garrett turbos have totally different designations.
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/6/2008, 7:11 pm | |
| Mitsu turbos: Mitsubishi uses TD04, TD05, TD06, ...to designates turbo housing. For example, TD05H-16G 7cm^2 is a turbo with,
- TD05 turbine housing with 'H' style turbine wheel. There are S, SH, H... style of turbine wheel/housing.
- 16G
compressor wheel. 16 is the size of the wheel, 1.83 inducer, 2.37
exducer. There is no direct correlation between MHI designation and
actual physical size of the compressor wheel. G is the style of wheel
(uneven height of blades). C, B, T style wheel's blades have the same
height. Blades are equally spaced, but the number and pitch of the
blades vary between models.
- 8cm^2
is referring to exhaust discharge area in the turbine housing. More
specifically, it is the smallest cross-sectional area of the scroll,
turbine housing. Very similar to Garrett turbo's A/R. The smaller
number means faster spool-up but more back pressure at higher rpm.
Bigger number means longer spool up but less back pressure, thus more
top end power.
Greddy modifies Mitsu turbos. I don't have any published specs for Greddy
turbos and i have not taken any time to measure them. It's possible
some of turbos have different specs from Mistubishi. Also, both Greddy
TD05 and TD06 use 3 bolt turbine flange where as Mistubishi's uses 4
bolt flanges. Besides the TD04, TD05, TD06, TD07 and TD08 turbos, Greddy also makes hybrid
turbo, T67 is TD07 compressor and TD06 turbine, same turbo as
TD06SH-25G. T78 is the compressor of TD08 and turbine of TD07, T88 uses
compressor and turbine from TD08. Hit The Spoiler for Turbo Power Image. Info from; http://www.ztechz.net/id4.html |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/6/2008, 8:18 pm | |
| barula detail namanya  |
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sNoOp-piE
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 9/7/2008, 1:05 pm | |
| sorry freshie kacau. pembetulan skit. td04L-13T(imprezza) bukan ball bearing turbo. trust bearing adjah........ mr pioneer brapa suda tahap ke(megaboost)an kreta ko skrg? |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 9/7/2008, 1:20 pm | |
| - sNoOp-piE wrote:
- sorry freshie kacau. pembetulan skit. td04L-13T(imprezza) bukan ball bearing turbo. trust bearing adjah........ mr pioneer brapa suda tahap ke(megaboost)an kreta ko skrg?
heheheheh,keta dia masi dlm proses 2 bro...  tubo pa ko pakai bro?ar48 @ ar60? |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 9/7/2008, 1:43 pm | |
| ar48.. peserta drag tawau..  |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 9/7/2008, 2:01 pm | |
| - LoLLiPoP wrote:
- ar48.. peserta drag tawau..
keta power 2 geng, suspek.....  |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 9/7/2008, 11:06 pm | |
| garett sama td04??? tentu la td04... 8) dulu aku pakai hitachi...then tukar p garett now p td04 :roll: semua turbo ade pro & kontra..depend pd setup enjin ko jg... soal turbo hangkang ke x..x wujud...enjin N/A pun kalu ko full blast utk tempoh lama akan hangkang jg..apatah lg turbo!!! turbo ni enjin manja sikit..tp power!!!kene pandai jg asal supply minyak ko cukup..setting baeeekkk punya..tidak akan hangkang wastegate?downpipe?emanage?... sume benda tu boleh pakai tapi kalu setting cun x yah pun takpa... nak main turbo ko kene faham mcm mana enjin bekerja p/s: aku ni pun baru jg dlm kete...kalau salah tlg betulkan..hehehehe  cabutttttttt  |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 11:10 am | |
| - kelisa_hitachi wrote:
- garett sama td04??? tentu la td04... 8)
dulu aku pakai hitachi...then tukar p garett now p td04 :roll:
sume turbo ade pro n kontra..depend pd setup enjin ko jg...
soal turbo hangkang ke x..x wujud...enjin N/A pun kalu ko full blast utk tempoh lma akan hangkang jg..apatah lg turbo!!!
turbo ni enjin manja cket..tp power!!!kene pandai jg
asal minyak ko ckup..setting baeeekkk punya..xkan hangkang
wastegate?downpipe?emanage?...
sume bende tu leh pakai tap kalu setting cun x yah pun takpe...
nak main turbo ko kene paham mcm mana enjin bekerja
p/s: aku ni pun baru jg dlm kete...salah betulkan..hehehehe
cabutttttttt sa suka keterangan dr. ko bro, tepat dan berkesan. |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 1:05 pm | |
| - codeng wrote:
- sNoOp-piE wrote:
- sorry freshie kacau. pembetulan skit. td04L-13T(imprezza) bukan ball bearing turbo. trust bearing adjah........ mr pioneer brapa suda tahap ke(megaboost)an kreta ko skrg?
heheheheh,keta dia masi dlm proses 2 bro...
tubo pa ko pakai bro?ar48 @ ar60? aku masih lagi pengguna setia td04L-13T |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 3:13 pm | |
| - sNoOp-piE wrote:
- codeng wrote:
- sNoOp-piE wrote:
- sorry freshie kacau. pembetulan skit. td04L-13T(imprezza) bukan ball bearing turbo. trust bearing adjah........ mr pioneer brapa suda tahap ke(megaboost)an kreta ko skrg?
heheheheh,keta dia masi dlm proses 2 bro...
tubo pa ko pakai bro?ar48 @ ar60?
aku masih lagi pengguna setia td04L-13T btulka bro ke megaboost an ko 2.7bar masa main drag dTawau drag lpas?? ... share2la ramuan bro..... |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 4:33 pm | |
| yes...share2 la..semua bdak baru mo blajar nie.. mantap |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 5:56 pm | |
| nda eee.... hari tu 1.5bar ja tu. leaking boost built up tahap dewa2 suda tu. plat turbo tu crack pasal terhantak d telupid. ronda2 tawau cari tukang welding pun teda yg mau tolong. |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 6:00 pm | |
| - sNoOp-piE wrote:
- nda eee.... hari tu 1.5bar ja tu. leaking boost built up tahap dewa2 suda tu. plat turbo tu crack pasal terhantak d telupid. ronda2 tawau cari tukang welding pun teda yg mau tolong.
drg takut ko menang bha 2 bro.... bulan 8, ko trunka lg bro?? kasi tgkla keta ko d display mycar....  mau jg minta tips2... |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 7:14 pm | |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 7:52 pm | |
| - pioneer_syntium wrote:
- kelisa_hitachi wrote:
- garett sama td04??? tentu la td04... 8)
dulu aku pakai hitachi...then tukar p garett now p td04 :roll:
sume turbo ade pro n kontra..depend pd setup enjin ko jg...
soal turbo hangkang ke x..x wujud...enjin N/A pun kalu ko full blast utk tempoh lma akan hangkang jg..apatah lg turbo!!!
turbo ni enjin manja cket..tp power!!!kene pandai jg
asal minyak ko ckup..setting baeeekkk punya..xkan hangkang
wastegate?downpipe?emanage?...
sume bende tu leh pakai tap kalu setting cun x yah pun takpe...
nak main turbo ko kene paham mcm mana enjin bekerja
p/s: aku ni pun baru jg dlm kete...salah betulkan..hehehehe
cabutttttttt
sa suka keterangan dr. ko bro, tepat dan berkesan. hehehe..dulu suka jg men turbo ni tq bro..sa pun bdk baru blajar juga |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 8:17 pm | |
| samala kita bro, sa pon baru berjinak2 bab2 ni. |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 10/7/2008, 11:36 pm | |
| kita ni semua cari ilmu. bukan semua org tau pasal everything. free forum of everyone to talk. anyway bulan 8 nda turun. bulan 12 baru turun tawau. ni kali mo naik lori suda la nda mau lagi ada masalah sana. |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 11/7/2008, 9:38 am | |
| sa insyaAllah kalau x da halangan drag bulan 8 mmg join 8) |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 1/9/2008, 12:25 am | |
| alo, mau tanya....
turbin tdo4 yg cepat spool??
tdo4-09, tdo4L @ TDO4 kawin@kacuk bontot??? bule otai2 terangkan?? |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 3/9/2008, 8:28 pm | |
| tdo4 semua bush bearing mcm (td04-09, td04L, td04L dr GSR) kecuali td04 subaru 2 kali ganda spool dia berbanding ball bearing yg RHF pakai tu tapi harga td04 subaru pon cantik sampai menjilat jari. |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 3/9/2008, 8:39 pm | |
| - pioneer_syntium wrote:
- tdo4 semua bush bearing mcm (td04-09, td04L, td04L dr GSR) kecuali td04 subaru 2 kali ganda spool dia berbanding ball bearing yg RHF pakai tu tapi harga td04 subaru pon cantik sampai menjilat jari.
bukan tdo4Lv13 dri subarauka?? apa yg ssuai kawen2 bontot nie??ada yg ckp ar48 kawen bontot tdo4-9, baru nyaman...ada komen?? |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 3/9/2008, 8:44 pm | |
| bkn td04Lv13 la, td04L 13G (tebo GSR)
kalau mo kacuk2 ni tgk spec enjin juga mcm piston sdh oversize ka, pisten std ka baru boleh cerita. |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 3/9/2008, 8:53 pm | |
| - pioneer_syntium wrote:
- bkn td04Lv13 la, td04L 13G (tebo GSR)
kalau mo kacuk2 ni tgk spec enjin juga mcm piston sdh oversize ka, pisten std ka baru boleh cerita. ada 1kawan, turbo tdo4l kawen bontot tdo4-09, spec engin masi stended l2s tp bule makan kancil emanage.... pigy abis, 3k buka suda.... |
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| | Subject: Re: TD04 vs Garrett 3/9/2008, 9:00 pm | |
| - codeng wrote:
- pioneer_syntium wrote:
- bkn td04Lv13 la, td04L 13G (tebo GSR)
kalau mo kacuk2 ni tgk spec enjin juga mcm piston sdh oversize ka, pisten std ka baru boleh cerita. ada 1kawan, turbo tdo4l kawen bontot tdo4-09, spec engin masi stended l2s tp bule makan kancil emanage....
pigy abis, 3k buka suda.... itu cerita tuning cun sdh tu, td04L + bontot 09 mmg boleh pakai pisten std. apa2pun bkn setakat tebo kasi kacuk2 saja boleh jadi power keta tu, banyak benda lagi kena ganti, kena bagi complete baru terasa g-force tebo yg amat ketara bila sdh amat ketara sdh tentu Horse Power tinggi mendadak. |
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