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lets talk about anything and everything about sq(Sound Quality) setup here... cheers and have a nice day.

WELCOME TO THE SQ WORLD

What is SQ?
There's a misunderstanding that SQ(Sound Quality) is a system that can't play loud. Stock system also can't play loud but that's far from a real SQ system. So what is Sound Quality? SQ is that aspect of a sound system, which
encompasses all of the performance factors which give the system the
ability to re-produce an accurate and life-like rendition of the
original recording as perfectly as possible. It includes factors such
as tonality, ambience, subtle nuance, system gain structure, dynamics,
transient response, and the list goes on and on. SQ is a combination of
all these technical factors as well as proper speaker placement and
proper system design. When a system is said to have perfect SQ, it
generates the most accurate sound possible, with a sense of musical
realism that gives the listener the impression that they "hear" a
live performance right in front of them, as if the listener was in the
audience watching the actual performers on an actual stage. Now, to get
this realistic musical "sound stage" in a car, it takes careful
system planning, speaker placement, and tuning.


From the reputable car audio enthusiast

http://teamaudionutz.com/a2.htm

tidak kurang bunyinya, cuma hilang kemampuan buat tuning saja. active system mmg 4ch amp utk 1 set 2 way component saja.
tu dvd player walaupun old model, kalau google pun tak dapat, maksud tu tiruan la. tak payah fikir banyak banyak.
P99RS mahal oh. lebih baik ambil HX D2 2nd hand. tak mampu beli ni, lebih sesuai cakap aku rasa tak berbaloi 4k untuk ni. 5k boleh dapat ODR 2nd hand sudah ma, hehe.

betul2...sokong2...sdngkn arga 1000 plus pn bingung2 suda pa lagi smpai 4K...hehe tepa2 smpan duit dlu.sa blom p 2 kedai lgi cek model apa...angan2 sya kn mo letak HU yg macam 2 ba...tpi klo mhl sngat kepunan la...klo single din nanti ada ruang kosong pula d bwah HU...hehe slalu preout palling stendet brapa volt yg kira ok2?klo rendah sngat ada noise ba kn?

noise tu bukan ditentukan oleh voltage pre out. paling mudah dapat noise, RCA dan power cable install selari di sisi masing masing, pre amp ayam/itik, hi lo convertor. dari player jarang sikit kecuali player cap ayam la, kalau beli player yg standard entry lvl pun tiada noise. volt player biasanya 2V-4V.
cadangan aku la, kalau tidak betul betul memerlukan perkhidmatan dvd, lebih baik angkat 9887. at least tak payah ragu ragu sama ni tiruan ka tidak. 9887 boleh main active system. ada x-over dan equalizer di dalam. unless ko mau tengok porn dengan sistem SQ ko la, haha. bunyi 'warm' betul bila pornstar teriak, haha...

wahaha...suround tingu blue
btul juga 2...lgipn macam inviting org kasi pecah kreta...
fkir lgi la..hehe

bro mo tnya sket, macam mna mo main active untuk 3 way component?kena cari 1 amp 6 chanel ka?hehe so sub punya conection macam mna la 2?pkai rca spliter?

finalazy84 wrote:

bro mo tnya sket, macam mna mo main active untuk 3 way component?kena cari 1 amp 6 chanel ka?hehe so sub punya conection macam mna la 2?pkai rca spliter?

klu mau main 3 way component u mau kena beli satu player untuk main 3 way ....majan pionner p90 boleh main....klu p80 baru boleh main 2 way......

oya la pula kn...lupa suda ada bnda macam 2...hehe P80 pn tekencing suda arga da pa lgi P90.
klo kasi split pn, teda guna juga sebab ta dpt control asing2.baik pkai passive.

ada HX D2, dan P99RS lagi... ada lagi alpine F#1 dan pioneer ODR, tu mau jual kereta sudah...

hi bro SQ suma, i just have something about HU stuf crossed in mind...hehe
m just curious, wat r the functions tats special on these HU. say for example P80/9887 tat make
it a good HU?wat normly we'll look at when purchasing the HU. m still noob on HU stuff klo sya, sa tau pre out n EQ brapa band sja hehe

a gud HU on the papers/spec must have low noise, hi sensitivity, hi channel seperation, hi volt output for clearer signal. for those that is not on paper, the CD transport must be gud, hi end DAC(digital to analog convertor), hi quality materials used example, copper housing, better RCA caps and cable, hi grade circuit board, hi quality capacitor and transistor, shock absorbtion capability which in all translate to usability and durability. most hi end HU usually dun have internal amp, like clarion DRX-9255 & HX-D2, alpine F#1 Status CDA-7990, alpine CDA-7998, Denon Z1, McIntosh MX406, Nakamichi CD-700, Sound Monitor CDT-450x, pioneer ODR series and DEX-P90 and so on. function wise all the HU varies, most of the top end HU can't even read MP3 and absolutely functionless, it's designed onli to put out uncompromised music. while some others come with DSP(digital signal processor), have built in crossover, time alignment, independent EQ, phase control and gain control for every channel, which in turn gives u versatility in tuning. everyone has their own taste, some like analog sounding system, meaning passive system without DSP, while some like to tune will choose those with DSP.
for example P80 and 9887 can play active 2way front + sub or 3way front. means it give u all the basic functions needed to tune a system in a HU. a very gud start for ppl who wish to learn about their system and how to tune. they are not the top HU but mass market wise, they are considered a gud HU, both have gud price to performance value, but for SQ, most ppl will choose P80 over 9887 becos of the 9887 is mass produced in China, a lot said dat they have poorer QC than pioneers and most important is most ppl like the sound on P80. EQ berapa band not so important yet, we need to learn level matching, positioning and crossover point before going into EQ. learn to listen and differentiate different kind of music characteristics which needs experience and time. no need to rush, take ur time and learn if u find this ICE thingy interesting.

finalazy84 wrote:

hi bro SQ suma, i just have something about HU stuf crossed in mind...hehe
m just curious, wat r the functions tats special on these HU. say for example P80/9887 tat make
it a good HU?wat normly we'll look at when purchasing the HU. m still noob on HU stuff klo sya, sa tau pre out n EQ brapa band sja hehe

biasa player ada time alement , itu player pakai network, sudah build in crossover.....so klu pasang component set itu passive crossover tidak usah pasang sudah.......semua control di player ......

bro noname u mean main active? so tdk semestinya ada 3 pre out suda cukup la?klo ada time algnmnt lgi bagus.

wuhuu...baru nmpak bro ckmoy punya post.
nicely written...tq tq...
bnyak lagi mo blajar ni...tat means i need to hve at least a good HU to start wit

pelan pelan la bro, pasal car audio ni, 50% ditentukan oleh equipment dan 50% lagi ditentukan oleh tuning skill. yg paling penting ni, ada $$$.... haha, boleh try sini try sana, test itu test ini. hehe. yg bro noname cakap tu, active setup la. as long as we are able to change the crossover frequencies, then it's called active setup.

now i know a little bit bout sound.... thanx ya all 4 da info....

yalor...klo equipment pn nda ckup cmna mo kasi mantap 2 tuning skill kn

tuning ni ialah skill yg membolehkan seseorang kasi max potensi sistem tu. tapi kalau mau belajar tuning, mmg mesti ada equipment terdahulu. kalau tidak, mau tune apa ni? hehe.

dah tambah post pasal amplifier di page 1.

finalazy84 wrote:

bro noname u mean main active? so tdk semestinya ada 3 pre out suda cukup la?klo ada time algnmnt lgi bagus.

wuhuu...baru nmpak bro ckmoy punya post.
nicely written...tq tq...
bnyak lagi mo blajar ni...tat means i need to hve at least a good HU to start wit

bro finalazy84...bukan semestinya ada 3 pre out cukup la....semestinya ada time algnmnt baru bagus.......klu tidak ada time algnmnt player itu sound susah mau cantik majan time algnmnt punya, sbb itu player biasa saja, kecuali u beli satu sound prosises kasi sambung , ia majan time algnmnt juga...........

bro no name... biasanya kalau pro tak main time alignment, sebab time alignment akan buat bunyi tak begitu natural. tonality pun akan lari juga. cuba main placing terdahulu, jangan guna time alignment walaupun player ada. kalu betul betul tak dapat placing baru start main time alignment. HU macam Nakamichi CD700, Alpine F#1 CDA-7990, McIntosh MX406 atau Denon Z1 pun tiada time alignment, tapi mereka semua bukan player biasa... kalau guna processor pun, kebanyakan main x-over dan EQ dan kemudahan setting gain dan phase, jarang sentuh time alignment kalau boleh. haha. ni semua mau tengok skill dan experience.

woh itu macam ka...2moro going 2 kk...mau servay2 HU...myb i'll b visiting ur fren place at towering sana...

the reason y m asking this bcos, ada member jual pioneer DEH5150UB...hehe

oh, u sudah call kawan aku ka? dia ada stock? ko mau aim P80 ka? hehe...

blum...nanti 2moro morning b4 going 2 KK baru kol.hehe
blum lagi decide ba ni. yg bikin bingung skrg klo bli P80/9887 memang ok la.tpi mslhnya teda USB.so myb sa mo beli 2 bnda tuk smbung USB juga.
amp tuk mid pn ta brapa kuat so nanti if smbung focal, main bridge sja.so cannot play active lor.jdi HU 2 macam ta kena guna to the fullest la.i'm thinking ta payah bridge since usually sya ta blast pn dngar music.half volume pn jarang.hehe
nanti sya experiment dlu la.tengok apa jadi...hehe

RMS tu tidak menentukan kekuatan speaker tu. macam morel aku 220W RMS untuk tweeter saja, tapi tak semestinya lebih kuat daripada yg 50w rms punya tweeter. hanya requirement saja ba... yg midbass dia tu memerlukan lebih kurang 100w rms, so mesti beli something like 150w rms untuknya baru ada headroom. tu HU bukan guna to the fullest or not, yg penting kita mau sound quality dia ba... yg function banyak, belilah yg china punya HU la. kawan aku tu tiada ready stock, mmg mesti order punya. u call and ask la. gudluck.

ckmoy007 wrote:

bro no name... biasanya kalau pro tak main time alignment, sebab time alignment akan buat bunyi tak begitu natural. tonality pun akan lari juga. cuba main placing terdahulu, jangan guna time alignment walaupun player ada. kalu betul betul tak dapat placing baru start main time alignment. HU macam Nakamichi CD700, Alpine F#1 CDA-7990, McIntosh MX406 atau Denon Z1 pun tiada time alignment, tapi mereka semua bukan player biasa... kalau guna processor pun, kebanyakan main x-over dan EQ dan kemudahan setting gain dan phase, jarang sentuh time alignment kalau boleh. haha. ni semua mau tengok skill dan experience.

BRO ckmoy007......bukan time algnmnt buat bunyi tak begitu natural.....time algnmnt player boleh tuning talik balik natural sound qulitit....klu player tak ada time algnmnt susah mau buat bunyi begitu natural......lagi bro....apa pangil bunyi natural????....yg ko cerita itu player semau bunyi pun tak sama bunyi kan.... macam nakamichi cd700, alpine dan lain-lain....

bunyi natural maksud folk guitar bunyi macam folk guitar la, tak macam classical guitar. kalau dengan time alignment, kita memperbaiki staging sahaja, tak akan buat bunyi natural dan tonality akan lari, mesti tune dengan EQ, itupun kalau pandai tune la. kalau berbanding dengan sistem passive, lain pula bunyinya. kalau boleh, cubalah dengar kebezaan kedua dua sistem ni, mmg active sistem mempunyai staging yg baik dan kebolehan membuat tuning. sistem passive pula berbunyi macam sangat full dan staging lebih rendah, kalau mau buat higher staging, mesti buat placing. di dunia car audio, ada analog sound dan digital sound. analog sound berbunyi macam home audio, dan digital sound bunyi yg keluar dari processor la. kecuali master buat tuning, susah kita nak buat bunyi sesuka hati. aku pernah dengar sistem active yg berbunyi sangat merupai bunyi analog, tapi itu sistem yg sangat sangat hi end la, hanya speaker cable pun rm120 semeter.
player yg aku cerita tu, semua mempunyai bunyi yg tersendiri, alpine dan mcintosh mmg berbunyi natural dan tiada coloration, Denon berbunyi lebih rich & thick di bahagian midrange, nakamichi mempunyai coloration yg tersendiri, yg kita panggil 'the beautiful lie', buat music lebih warm and sweet, bukan dia tak natural, cuma berbunyi lain sikit berbanding dengan player lain. nakamichi mmg terkenal dengan CD mechanism dia, selalu telan CD, kalau tidak aku pun ambil dia tu... pasal coloration, tu tergantung kpd kesukaan masing masing la. skrg player aku ADDZEST DRX9255, dia boleh kira cousin mcintosh mx406, di dalamnya cuma sikit yg lain berbanding dgn mx406, kedua-duanya menggunakan DAC burr-brown PCM1704, dia dihasilkan apabila mcintosh dibeli oleh clarion.