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apa bah nih crossover dan kegunaan sebetulnya ?? patutkah dia pasang atau pun tidak ??
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iya...bro belajar tune nie yg susah..hehe
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saya pula ada beli ne mid bass bah, 8 biji. saya kira mo sambung p 4 channel. kasi turun setiap channel p 2ohm. ada yg ckp klu mid kasi turun p 2ohm (parralel wiring) bunyi cepat distort. mesti ada psive xover juga. baru cntik, btul kah? Shocked
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mcm mana ko ksh trun 2 bro..ohm nya
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bro kippo jugalah harapan sioloon mau explain sound ......sifu tahap dewa~ hehehee
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saya pula ada beli ne mid bass bah, 8 biji. saya kira mo sambung p 4 channel. kasi turun setiap channel p 2ohm. ada yg ckp klu mid kasi turun p 2ohm (parralel wiring) bunyi cepat distort. mesti ada psive xover juga. baru cntik, btul kah? Shocked
mna bgs geng... bgs set tuk 8ohm....
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boy_charger88 wrote:
mcm mana ko ksh trun 2 bro..ohm nya

4 ohm drivers x 2 biji ko wire parallel. Final impedance dia will be 2 ohm.
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DewaTandas wrote:
saya pula ada beli ne mid bass bah, 8 biji. saya kira mo sambung p 4 channel. kasi turun setiap channel p 2ohm. ada yg ckp klu mid kasi turun p 2ohm (parralel wiring) bunyi cepat distort. mesti ada psive xover juga. baru cntik, btul kah? Shocked

8 biji 4 ohm mid-bass = 4 pair (left n right).

so wire 2 pair in parallel to get final impedence of 2 ohm

amp ni, bila impedance load dia turun dari 4 ohm ke 2 ohm, power output dari amp akan naik (lebih kurang 1.5x to 2x ganda). So in terms of power, should be ok.


passive xover kana pasang sebab kalau teda, ko akan main mid bass tu pergi 'full range' i.e. dari 20hz ke 20khz.
Generally mid-bass ni boleh main sampai 800hz sahaja dan untuk mid-range, sampai 3~4khz sahaja. Kalau ko kasi main drivers ni dengan freq. yg lebih tinggi, dia akan distort due to cone break-up (cone tidak stabil bila main freq. tinggi).

jadi pasang passive xover. Ada sebab bila ko bili mid tu, passive xover tu datang sama2.
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ini bah kamsud aku .. kan klu kita beli comp set mid bass ada satu kali ngan crossover ...tu xover lh yg sya maksud kan .. klu sya x mo pasang buli ka ???

ohh.. maksud ko ni passiver crossover yang datang sama2 component set ko ni.

kalau ko tidak mo pasang, boleh juga tapi ko kana ada outboard electronic crossover dan set dia pergi bandpass.
kalau ko mo set outboard electronic crossover tu pergi high-pass dan set crossover built-in pada amp tu pergi low-pass untuk dapat bandpass, boleh juga tapi jarang betul low pass filter pada amp ni buli set sampai 3khz. Paling2 pun 500hz.
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bnyk uda aku dpt bljr kt sni nie tau..hihi.bandpass nie mcmna?
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bandpass = Low pass filter + high pass filter sekali jalan.

so freq. ko kana potong di bawah dan di atas. tinggal tengah2 la i.e. mid range hehe..
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x sy brapa phm oo..x pa lh..pelan2 bljr nie..hihi.
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owh ertinya nih xover kegunaannya adalh tuk memasti kan midbass mendapatkan bunyi yg stabil dan seimbang lah kan ??? gitu ka tu ????
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jadi bro, mana yg ngam? saya connected parralel atau kasi naik dia 8ohm? trus tweeter saya direct connect p player, takut saya klu masuk amp mcm paling kuat tu bunyi tssssss sama bunyi rpm masuk. takut hehhehe
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under18crew wrote:
x sy brapa phm oo..x pa lh..pelan2 bljr nie..hihi.

freq. musik = 20hz ~ 20khz

Low pass Filter set pergi = 200hz

High pass filter set pergi = 3khz

jadi freq. tu dalam 'bandpass' = 200hz ~ 3 khz


i.e. potong bawah and potong atas pada masa satu kali memberi 'band' i.e. 'range' seperti di atas
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owh ertinya nih xover kegunaannya adalh tuk memasti kan midbass mendapatkan bunyi yg stabil dan seimbang lah kan ??? gitu ka tu ????

mana2 drivers (speakers) ni ada limit kalau mau main musik.

kata kan mid 4" ni hanya di rate untuk main freq. dari 50hz ke 5khz, kita kana filter frequencies dari 20hz - 50hz dan dari 5khz - 20khz. Kalau tidak, mid tu akan distort.

jadi xover ni untuk filter freq. supaya hanya freq. yg mid tu boleh main akan pergi ke mid tu.
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jadi bro, mana yg ngam? saya connected parralel atau kasi naik dia 8ohm? trus tweeter saya direct connect p player, takut saya klu masuk amp mcm paling kuat tu bunyi tssssss sama bunyi rpm masuk. takut hehhehe

saya akan go for parallel wiring to get lower final impedance. Baru amp ko akan bagi lebih kuasa untuk drive 2 set component drivers. Kalau ko set pergi series wiring to get 8 ohm, power dari amp akan kurang jadi tidak kuat la bunyi ko.

tweeter jangan direct sambung pergi player. Susa mo control volume balance dia dengan speakers yg lain yg kana power oleh amp.
Kalau ko mo juga, ko kana ada high pass filter (paling2 pun yg simple punya saja) di sambung ke tweeter tu.

bunyi 'tsssssss' ni i.e. signal noise ni di sebab kan :
- grounding connections mungkin tidak berapa bagus
- amp / xover / parametric EQ ko ada masalah
- bad RCA connection
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tweeter depan saya, mmg ada xover siap uda la. jadi klu cam tu ok la kan direct p player? bah saya connect p 2ohm, baru la kaw kaw. hehe, tapi klu pilihan amp, mmg byk ka effect dekat bunyi d mid nanti? amp murah amp mahal? sama satu lagi, alang2, hehehe, kan besa org tarik power cable direct p player,nda pakai yg standard punya 12+ wiringkan? byk beza ka tu? yg mo pasang relay utk wire remote masuk p amp tu?relay apa? tq tq Very Happy cheers dance
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ko boleh connect direct p player punya high level output (yg p speaker tu) tapi pemasangan macam ni saya tidak berapa suka sebab volume balance between the tweeter and the rest of the speakers (powered from amps) akan lain. So far semua cara pemasangan macam ni bila saya dingar, wainah kauuu sakit telinga tajam tu tweeter.


pasal player wiring, kalau ko tidak pakai player punya internal amp, tidak payah la tarik kabel baru. Walau bagaimana pun, saya rekomen juga la sebab installer suka tap power ke player dari fuse box kereta. Biasa nya kabel sini ni ada kici sikit.
Kalau ko maksud kan power kabel yg besa urg pakai p amp, itu suda melampau tu

pasal relay - ko cari saja mana2 relay, ampere rating pun tidak payah tinggi.
20A pun suda lebih dari mencukupi. Paling sinang ko p bili saja Bosch relay yg warna biru tu, rated 40A dan dulu harga RM5. sikarang maybe RM10 suda.

amp murah ni problem dia, di sana amp tulis 1000W tapi actual tidak sampai pun 100W kali. Sebab tu recommended pakai brand yang suda establish sebab ko tau pa dia tulis tu ada betul la. Paling senang, ko cari amp yg ada kana tulis power rating as per CEA2006.
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owh tuk kaci bunyi dia tia pacah lah bah tu kan .. and also tuk kaci limit sound dia kan
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saya kasi simple lagi ni explaination.

xover ni di guna kan supaya mid range main mid dan dia bukan main tweeter.

sama juga dengan tweeter, ko pakai xover supaya dia tidak jadi mid

sama juga dengan subwoofer, ko pakai xover supaya dia tidak jadi tweeter
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ah xplaination ko yg nih sya lebih jelas heheh .. sorilah klu menyusahkan ko tuk kaci jelas ma saya hehehe ... hehe skrng baru sya tau ... jd kesimpulannya sya pasang jak lah xover nih hehe
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mmg skrg mcm semua amp ada built xover ba kan? hpf, lpf? jd cukup la tu kan kippo utk setting mid tu? electronic xover tu nda paya lakan cari?
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mmng c kippo ni pakar abis ba.... Very Happy
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DewaTandas wrote:
mmg skrg mcm semua amp ada built xover ba kan? hpf, lpf? jd cukup la tu kan kippo utk setting mid tu? electronic xover tu nda paya lakan cari?

boleh, ko set HPF di amp dan pakai passive xover di mid tu sebagai LPF untuk potong high freq. yg sepatut nya tweeter saja main
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mmng c kippo ni pakar abis ba.... Very Happy

tidak pakar baa.. dari pengalaman juga.
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